Topping for Patrick-

I wonder what Patrick's response to this story would have been if, instead of his 2 good friends visiting NYC, it happened to 2 newbie travelers in Paris who posted on this board, complaining about an evening out. I think we'd be hearing something more along the lines of "you can't expect everything to be just like it is in the US," "they don't queue in Europe the way they do here," "if you want everything to be the same when you travel, stay home." Hmm.

According to Patrick, he was amazed to get 40-something replies when he posted a "simple little thing like a problem at Tavern on the Green" and that the lesson learned is to use the word "nightmare" in your post...good going Patrick.

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Thank you for topping this. I have apologized for using the term nightmare. What more can I do? Where do you want me to leave my blood? If you don't think this was a problem, fine, but could we please move on now and forget this? Is this post any reason to continually insult me when I post any bit of what I try to make helpful advice? It would be nice if you would give up on this and we could get back to posting helpful travel advice. Is that possible for you? I'm willing.

That wasn't much "fun" - eh? Your a, b, c points are positively correct.

i'm with Patrick...quit being an a**

Patrick; I have noticed that when I or anyone else posts a warning about a hotel, airline, or experience of any kind, they will be pummeled by defensive people looking for an argument. We see this a lot on the Europe forum. So what, that you said "nightmare". I like that you are dramatic! <BR><BR>We do learn from our mistakes-hopefully. Next time eat near the theatre or within reasonable walking distance and don't check your coats. I know many people who have lost their coats by checking them in busy theatres and restaurants. I never do that anymore because I dislike waiting in line for my own property. I was once a NYer and am glad for it. It taught me to be assertive and speak up for myself. I think that now I really don't care what others think of my assertiveness, as long as I am relatively polite, I like getting what I want and am willing to pay for it. I learned that from being a NYer!

Finger pointers they have to harp on your bad experience. I cant stand them.<BR>Nothing but a bunch of pseudo elitists.<BR>Sorry about your friends experience. It can be a huge hassle living in NYC. I've been doing it for 25 years now.<BR>

I'm glad this old thread was brought back up. Last week we had brunch at Tavern on the Green and I remembered this story. We tried not to check our coats. The maitre-d insisted that we were not allowed to take our coats to the table as the "seating is too tight". We remarked that "friends" had trouble retrieving their coats, but they insisted there would be no problem. After brunch we waited about 20 minutes to get our coats -- there was a long line and they were very disorganized. All I could think about was I was glad we didn't have a show to catch. My husband and I stood there discussing this problem and tried to figure out what we would do if we really needed to make a quick exit. I really don't know, unless it would have been to make a scene or push our way to the front of the line, but now I certainly understand why it was a problem to those tourists. By the way, we hadn't been to Tavern on the Green in several years, but this time the food and service were both pretty dismal. I don't think we'll be going back.

Ellen, the same excuse was given to me as I've detailed above. I don't buy that lame excuse. I don't understand what the maitre d' means by "too tight". If a woman has a coat draped around her shoulders (as my friend did) how is that too tight? And my next question is: if it's too tight, why is TOTG pushing so many tables so close together?<BR><BR>I agree that TOTG is no longer a good place to dine.

i'm so glad i ran away to maui.<BR>my biggest nightmare is to locate a piece of sun drenched beach to throw my towel upon.when i read things like "Nightmare" and the subsequent inane postings it all comes flooding back to me why i left. i love new york.<BR>from a distance!

There's a simple solution to the problem of getting your coat at TOTG. When the maitre'd says it must be checked get his guarantee that you'll get it back in less than three minutes. When you dont and you wont, buttonhole the maitre'd and at the top of your lungs shout "Hey, you SOB where the h.ll's my coat. You promised it to me in three minutes."

I'm glad to see support for patash...I find his advice on this site helpful and generous...I'd hate for him to go away cuz of some nasties...

OK ..... OK ....... I read through this whole thread of conversation and I have finally managed to stop shreiking with laughter, long enough to post this reply ...... not that the story of two ladies who just wanted to get to a production of The Producers on time but almost didn't, because -- well -- you all know the story of what happened -- isn't, well, poignant, to say the least. And I do sympathize with what happened to them. But really -- isn't this just the perfect story line for a NEW MUSICAL or PLAY. Seriously. I mean, this is almost better than "Springtime for Hitler", itself, isn't it? I love, I mean, ADORE, this whole thread ....... all the comments! Everything! It's outrageously funny (as long as it didn't actually happen to you) -- everything -- the responses, the story in the first place, the indignancies ("How COULD you SAY that about my two friends, I mean, REALLY ???"), etc. etc. So now I feel compelled to work out a story line and sketch out some songs, being the musical theatre person I am -- and maybe one day we will all meet, yes, I mean all of us -- the two ladies, Patrick, the coat-check girl, the taxi driver, the other message "respondees" -- and we are all going to say, "We were a part of this! This is our very own, totally New York Minute, a hilarious, hysterical story -- you'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll applaud (you'll buy tickets) -- and the best thing is, it REALLY DID HAPPEN!" Stay tuned, folks ....... I'm think I'm on to something.

Someone-call a cab and send Cathy home now, she needs her medicine.

Cathy; Have you checked out "Delta obviously Doesn't need Customers"? That could be an interesting play as well. Talk about laugh your you know what off. Scroll down and have a look.

I am half way through writing the play now, just a little update. I cant think of a good name though.

How about "Nightmare at Tavern on the Green"?