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stjohnbound Aug 31st, 2005 05:52 AM

Looting has already occurred at pawn shops and yes, guns were taken. A New Orleans police officer was shot in the head yesterday by a looter. There is a huge difference between a looter and someone taking something to survive. Groups of people have been shown on TV looting all kinds of stores and they look like they're having a street party. It's truly disgusting. I'm sure everyone would forgive those who must have diapers, formula, etc., but taking guns, booze, electronics, etc. is nothing but criminal behavior.

cd Aug 31st, 2005 06:06 AM

I think we all can understand looting for food and water but so many of these people look like their having fun! They are smiling and giving thumbs up. I hate that some are taking advantage of such a tragedy.

We have reservations for NO for our Anniversary in November....don't think she'll be ready...

ahhnold Aug 31st, 2005 06:13 AM

We should all step up and donate money to these poor souls. I hope other countries do the same as we have done in the recent past.

JJ5 Aug 31st, 2005 06:23 AM

I've seen looting first hand in Chicago. It's a mindset that gets hyped by a mob action/ motivation and has nothing to do with getting survival goods. If someone was going to get water or food they do it in a totally
different manner and not on those fast runs that are being shown on tv. Also it doesn't entail breaking into casinos and trashing the slots for their cash. There is no place to spend the money now at all.

It's just another flavor of a mob scene as at a stoning or group execution. The emotion against authority and sudden relaxation of authority's power (and in this case added grief mixed with panic and a strong feeling of powerlessness against loss)
dissapates the "guilt" among many, so that individual guilt, conscience and responsibility get lost. The result is almost euphoric and very fast group runs for many goods that sometimes are found unused and discarded, horded, or destroyed in other locations.

It is an absolutely horrible thing to watch. I saw a mob pull a truck driver right out of a stalled delivery truck cab and literally kick him to death over his load of electronics. He was murdered within 3 minutes without any words spoken. It is something that has stayed with me forever, much worse than the events that actually have happened to me, myself.

Very, very rarely is looting done in singular. There are usually groups, sometimes very large up to 15 or 20 together. Speechless, but one starts and then it becomes like a type of fun race to see how much "power" can be captured.

Bad times bring out bad consequences and more misery. That's why I really, really feel for these people since it will be many, many days before the water can be reduced. Jefferson Parrish they are saying will be a month or more just because of the health issues.

I don't think they should even try to restrain the looters until there is more stable conditions or a means for authority to contain or transport offenders. It just makes more sense to deal with helping the sick, injured or others that need to be moved for survival. The Illinois National Guard was called and is sending down the entire Illinois Medical Group. They've left already.

Until the access boatwise, or roadwise, can be firmly established and the search grids organized to receiving points- there isn't much else to do but take people into homes in other areas or console/feed them.

Many people in Chicago have relatives from the South and the MS gulf coast. I know of three families that have people on the way already to come live here. It may mean that NO will lose some of its population permanently.

elizabeth_reed Aug 31st, 2005 07:03 AM

I don't know anyone personally in that hurricane area, but i feel badly, too.

Last night I made Zatarain's Dirty Rice for supper -- with a good dose of "Joe's Seasoning" from the New Orleans School of Cooking.

stjohnbound Aug 31st, 2005 07:13 AM

I just heard that the refugees in NO will be bussed to the Astrodome in Houston as it is no longer used for sporting events. At least they will soon have basic needs and electricity. I think JJ5 is correct that many people will end up never returning to NO. And JJ5, thank you for the insight into looting. It's difficult to understand but you did a great job explaining it.

travelinwifey Aug 31st, 2005 07:39 AM

New Orleans is one of America's greatest cities. I am also sick in the stomach watching all of the heartache that is unfolding. That city has such wonderful spirit. I feel like I am a member of "the big easy" when I'm there:)

Heavens Aug 31st, 2005 07:48 AM

OMG, we were just there three weeks ago! We took my 18 yo daughter and her friend. Stayed in the beautiful FQ. We could only stay one night and then had to head up to AL and Nashville. I was so happy to show the girls this unique city and huge piece of history. Now I fear it will never be the same...

These poor, poor people. How long until they can be comfortable and have a safe life again? I am sending money to Red Cross today!!!

highbay Aug 31st, 2005 05:34 PM

I'm watching the news with tears in my eyes. This has got to be the worst natural disaster in our country.

P_M Aug 31st, 2005 05:49 PM

This has been such a stressful week for me due to personal problems that I have become physically ill and I missed work today. But I am ashamed of myself, VERY ashamed!! I feel like a selfish butt head. My problems are so stupid and meaningless compared to the people on the Gulf coast. They have suffered a devastating loss that I have never known and hopefully never will know. I am a lot sadder for them than I am for me. God bless them and keep them.

I am proud that my state of Texas has opened it's doors and many of the evacuees will be coming here. Sadly for them, many will have to stay in Texas as they have no home to return to. I wish the circumstances were different, but I hope we can make them feel welcome and I hope they will have a good life in Texas.

LoveItaly Aug 31st, 2005 05:51 PM

My heart is heavy too. A beautiful 70 year old lady who was born in the US to parents from Italy left about one week ago to see her parents Italy for the first time in her life.

Although she and her husband could of gone to visit Italy years ago they didn't as her husband felt he could not take time away from his business.
He always told her once he was retired they would travel.

He retired and about a year later came down with a health problem. So no trips were taken.

This dear woman left for Italy with her darling daughter for a three week trip, with her husband's blessing. He did not feel up to going but should have been just fine on his own at home (personally think he just didn't like to travel).

Their home in is NO. The wife and their daughter are in Italy. She does not know if her husband evacuated as requested, whether he did not, whether he is alive, perhaps on their rooftop or if he is dead. She has not been able to contact him of course. And needless to say she cannot fly home and into NO.

I found out about this last night. Do not know what the situation is this evening.

I can only imagine the panic they are in. Actually I should say I can NOT imagine the panic they are in. Just one story out of thousands and thousands.

My heart is heavy for everyone that is part of this living h*ll. It is a nightmare. Blessings to all.

P_M Aug 31st, 2005 05:59 PM

LoveItaly, please post an update as soon as you have one. I will keep your friends in my prayers.

LoveItaly Aug 31st, 2005 06:13 PM

Hello P_M, this year has seem to be full of sad and sorrowful stories. Thanks you for your thoughts, and I will. I gave my daughter the RedCross phone # that people can call to check on their loved ones. Think it is 866-GET-INFO but doubt if they would have any information at this point.

This situation for everyone, thousand and thousands of horrible stories, is a true nightmare. Hugs to you.

MarionCK Aug 31st, 2005 06:15 PM

HOORAY for Texas and heartfelt applause to your well-spoken and compassionate Governor !

Love Italy: Your friends will be in my prayers tonight.

Our prayer lists seem to be getting longer every day.

I can't remember when I've felt this powerless to help.

Marion

seetheworld Aug 31st, 2005 06:21 PM

LoveItaly, I will also pray for your friends.

PM, keep faith. Sending hugs your way.

P_M Aug 31st, 2005 06:26 PM

Back atcha, seetheworld!! >:D<

And here's one for LoveItaly and her friends.

>:D<

Tandoori_Girl Aug 31st, 2005 07:03 PM

It is a really awful situation. My brother has lived in Metairie for the past ten years. He evacuated himself, his wife, his step-daughter and the cat to a Texas town just outside of Shreveport. His step-daughter lives there in a 2-bedroom. I'm not sure how long they will be able to all stay in one spot w/o stomping all over each other but so far so good. Today they went to a nearby church where they were serving free lunch to all the newly arrived refugees. He sounds much better today than last night -- I think the lunch really boosted his spirits to see all the people who were there in the same boat as he.

His house was a rental so in that respect he's very lucky. But they left in a lurch taking nothing much at all with them. Give to Red Cross or Salvation Army. Many are needy.

LoveItaly Aug 31st, 2005 08:13 PM

I send my hugs to all of you...you are all such beautiful and carying people. I know that all of us are devastated by this horrendous trauma in the SE. It goes beyond anyones imagination. And it will be a nightmare for months and months. It is hard to even mentally understand.

And dear P_M, I did not see your post when I last posted, I think we were typing at the same time. I am so sorry that you are ill, an overload of stress will do that to you. Please, don't feel bad about yourself. I understand how you are feeling, honest I do, as I am not 100% physically alright in this moment due to the stress of the past months. And I too feel like an a**, as I too know what I have been stressed out about is nothing, and I do mean nothing, compared to our dear neighbors in the SE. But dear one, that does not take away from the stress you have been through. May I share a comment a dear priest said once. It is this "you can be standing next to someone dying of brain cancer but if at that moment you have a terrible migrane headache that is where your pain is". P_M, be gentle with yourself, please.

My prayers, blessings and best wishes to everyone regardless of where you live or what you are going through. May we all work through this terrible time together. Peace!

Merseyheart Aug 31st, 2005 09:25 PM

This is a time to look out for one another. Watch and read the news, but not too much. Don't overload yourself with information. Keep this suffering in mind, and contribute what you can. We saw tremendous generosity in this country after 9/11. We can respond the same way after Hurricane Katrina. Take care, everyone.

ktyson Aug 31st, 2005 09:46 PM

Hi all,

I don't want any pats on the back for what I've done. The only reason I am posting it, is to try to convice others to do the same.

My husband and I were planning to spend Labor Day Weekend in NOLA. We obviously cancelled our plans. With the money we saved for this vacation we were going to go somewhere else. Instead we donated this money to the Red Cross (www.redcross.org) to help the victims of the hurricaine.

We have been to NOLA several times and always had a wonderful time, so we figured that we owed something to our favorite city at the time they need it the most.


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