My Book of Mormon review
Sep 26th, 2014, 08:46 PM
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I don't know if he is a regular contributor but if he is then this forum isn't doing what it was meant for.
He is a regular contributor who often gives good advice and asks interesting questions. Unfortunately, he also is known for picking fights and for stalking contributors with outrageous complaints until they reply with comments such as "whatever" and "I give up." He seems to be a sociable guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't caught on that he creates an unfavorable impression of himself when he badgers his fellow forum members.
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He is a regular contributor who often gives good advice and asks interesting questions. Unfortunately, he also is known for picking fights and for stalking contributors with outrageous complaints until they reply with comments such as "whatever" and "I give up." He seems to be a sociable guy. It's a mystery why he hasn't caught on that he creates an unfavorable impression of himself when he badgers his fellow forum members.
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Sep 27th, 2014, 04:19 AM
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Whoa! While some of you may feel that Patrick overreacted, let's not forget that the OP accused people like him and me of being racists imply because we enjoyed The Book of Mormon. I find that a helluva lot more objectionable and offensive than anything Patriok might have said...and a valid reason for Patick to react the way he did.
Sep 27th, 2014, 04:33 AM
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Yes, Howard, and yes cuteoldgal, I did have a bad day. Maybe when someone calls you a racist on a public forum it's not a big deal, but it was to me. Did I over react? Possibly. I'm not sure what is considered an over reaction when I am told that if I found something funny (which I've stated many times I do find funny) that I must be a racist.
Happytrails and many others found a way to "review" the show without insulting anyone who might have a different opinion of the show than he. That's what reviews should be in my humble opinion. I just wish that is what the OP would have done. There is a lot of difference between just saying "the show was a snooze for us" or even "We found the material racist" and "the book is funny only if YOU are a racist".
But . . .whatever!
Happytrails and many others found a way to "review" the show without insulting anyone who might have a different opinion of the show than he. That's what reviews should be in my humble opinion. I just wish that is what the OP would have done. There is a lot of difference between just saying "the show was a snooze for us" or even "We found the material racist" and "the book is funny only if YOU are a racist".
But . . .whatever!
Sep 27th, 2014, 05:56 AM
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How many apologizes for a poor choice of words do you need before you can let it go? No one called you a racist BY NAME. I doubt anyone would have made a connection if you hadn't made an issue.
"The lady (or in this case, the gentleman) doth protest too much, methinks." Shakespeare
"The lady (or in this case, the gentleman) doth protest too much, methinks." Shakespeare
Sep 27th, 2014, 06:25 AM
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"I doubt anyone wold have made a connection if hou hadn't made an issue."
I'll dispute that, because I would have if he hadn't.
And the reference to the famous Shakespearean quote is ludicrolus to say the least.
I'll dispute that, because I would have if he hadn't.
And the reference to the famous Shakespearean quote is ludicrolus to say the least.
Sep 27th, 2014, 06:42 AM
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"I doubt anyone wold have made a connection if hou hadn't made an issue. I'll dispute that, because I would have if he hadn't."
Just to clarify, you're saying that you would have recognized my remark as targeting NeoPatrick? Weird.
And it's ok for you to call me ludicrous....but take offense with a remark that had nothing to do with you?
Again.....weird.
Just to clarify, you're saying that you would have recognized my remark as targeting NeoPatrick? Weird.
And it's ok for you to call me ludicrous....but take offense with a remark that had nothing to do with you?
Again.....weird.
Sep 27th, 2014, 12:54 PM
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Back to reviews, I understand where the OP is coming from. I have never wanted to see this show because I know exactly what it is about, making fun of a religion. Oh, that is "spoofing" a religion. Why an entire Broadway show is about that is beyond me, or how it got to be acceptable.
Some people use the word "racist" to mean discriminatory against various things, which are not always race. For religion, it seems off mark, but I have heard people call something "racist" when it was slurs against some group that was of the same race (or Jews, for example, who are not a different race, that is actually a good comparison).
I went to see some Broadway show once because it had John LIthgow in it and while I like him, the show was full of vulgarities that were totally gratuitous. I don't know why they thought they had to add those (it was the Broadway version of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels).
A Broadway musical making fun of a religion is really surprising to me, or that it is so popular and is becoming a movie? There have been some other shows that take religion lightly or parts of it (or movies, like Sister Act), but not ones where the sole purpose of the show is to mock a religion.
Some people use the word "racist" to mean discriminatory against various things, which are not always race. For religion, it seems off mark, but I have heard people call something "racist" when it was slurs against some group that was of the same race (or Jews, for example, who are not a different race, that is actually a good comparison).
I went to see some Broadway show once because it had John LIthgow in it and while I like him, the show was full of vulgarities that were totally gratuitous. I don't know why they thought they had to add those (it was the Broadway version of Dirty Rotten Scoundrels).
A Broadway musical making fun of a religion is really surprising to me, or that it is so popular and is becoming a movie? There have been some other shows that take religion lightly or parts of it (or movies, like Sister Act), but not ones where the sole purpose of the show is to mock a religion.
Sep 28th, 2014, 08:39 AM
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"That must be a joke."
I thought this whole psuedo-outrage over my review specifically insulting you was a joke. Isn't it?
You're right....I'm a smart person. I've posted here for a long time and you know that. Why not just accept my apology for a slip of the tongue - knowing that no harm was meant (and specifically no barbs were tossed at you by name), and move on? Why all the public angst?
Didn't you recently post that you didn't want to go to a specific Chicago location because it is "TOO trendy, mainly meaning they are crammed with SCREAMING 30 somethings". Should every 30 year old be personally offended by your sweeping generalization? Should every trendy restaurant refuse you entry for your insult?
Of course not. As smart people, we sometimes write or say things that are a bit sweeping to make a point. Call it "literary license". Get over it. Move on. Enjoy your quiet dinner. Enough!
I thought this whole psuedo-outrage over my review specifically insulting you was a joke. Isn't it?
You're right....I'm a smart person. I've posted here for a long time and you know that. Why not just accept my apology for a slip of the tongue - knowing that no harm was meant (and specifically no barbs were tossed at you by name), and move on? Why all the public angst?
Didn't you recently post that you didn't want to go to a specific Chicago location because it is "TOO trendy, mainly meaning they are crammed with SCREAMING 30 somethings". Should every 30 year old be personally offended by your sweeping generalization? Should every trendy restaurant refuse you entry for your insult?
Of course not. As smart people, we sometimes write or say things that are a bit sweeping to make a point. Call it "literary license". Get over it. Move on. Enjoy your quiet dinner. Enough!
Sep 29th, 2014, 03:43 PM
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TC, I am sorry you had to endure this obnoxious exchange. The deterioration of discourse on this forum is extremely sad, and I have reported it to the administrators. The guidelines include "Keep in fun for everyone" and "Keep it Positive and Welcoming." There was nothing fun, positive, or welcoming about the badgering to which you were subjected:
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Sep 30th, 2014, 04:18 AM
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Don't know anything about SouthPark. Was taken to BofM by our adult children as a gift. Absolutely irreverently hilarious. They DID warn us, but I had known about it since its Broadway openings.
And those who say the depiction of Africa as backward, references to AIDS, etc. was demeaning--hey, have a look at the corrupt cruel "presidents" who rule those countries and make those things an everyday thing. Satire is a very powerful tool to hold up a mirror to OUR faces.
This quote is particularly funny to me--apparently apples and oranges are not in his diet.
Book of Mormon seemed puny in comparison to Porgy and Bess--even Jersey Boys was a more rewarding evening in the theater.
TC doesn't have to like the play--he doesn't have to offend others who do, and particularly by implying they are racist for liking it. Ridiculously inappropriate name calling.
And those who say the depiction of Africa as backward, references to AIDS, etc. was demeaning--hey, have a look at the corrupt cruel "presidents" who rule those countries and make those things an everyday thing. Satire is a very powerful tool to hold up a mirror to OUR faces.
This quote is particularly funny to me--apparently apples and oranges are not in his diet.
Book of Mormon seemed puny in comparison to Porgy and Bess--even Jersey Boys was a more rewarding evening in the theater.
TC doesn't have to like the play--he doesn't have to offend others who do, and particularly by implying they are racist for liking it. Ridiculously inappropriate name calling.
Sep 30th, 2014, 05:07 AM
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Thank you Happytrails for pointing out that the original post did NOT meet the guidelines for Fodors. Read the original post which was rude and insulting, then read your comments and see how they describe the orginal post. Was that post "warm and welcoming"? Did it make a personal attack to anyone who thinks the show is funny? As you yourself say "There was nothing fun, positive, or welcoming" in that original post! It was not a review. It was a slam at anyone who might have a different opinion.
Gretchen has it right with her last paragraph above. A review should be about the personal taste of the reviewer -- not a total insult by name calling anyone who might possibly have a different opinion!
As for TC "half-way admitting" the original post was a bad choice of words, I'm reminded of something I saw just the other day. "Take a plate and smash it on the floor. Pick up the pieces and say 'I'm sorry I did that.' Did the plate go back together or is it still broken?" It's pretty hard to forget someone telling you that YOU must be racist. It's even harder to forgive someone for calling you that when they don't even apologize for saying it, but continue to say "you just misunderstood me". No. The reference was incredibly clear.
Gretchen has it right with her last paragraph above. A review should be about the personal taste of the reviewer -- not a total insult by name calling anyone who might possibly have a different opinion!
As for TC "half-way admitting" the original post was a bad choice of words, I'm reminded of something I saw just the other day. "Take a plate and smash it on the floor. Pick up the pieces and say 'I'm sorry I did that.' Did the plate go back together or is it still broken?" It's pretty hard to forget someone telling you that YOU must be racist. It's even harder to forgive someone for calling you that when they don't even apologize for saying it, but continue to say "you just misunderstood me". No. The reference was incredibly clear.
Sep 30th, 2014, 07:26 AM
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The only guideline TC broke was to write about something other than travel.
In 2005, I posted this quote in my Fodor's profile: "When we lessen the burden of living for those around us we are doing well; when we add to the misery of the world we are not." The quote is from Choosing Civility, by P.M. Forni, who is cofounder of the Johns Hopkins Civility Project.
I did not find what TC wrote to be offensive, and I do not believe he/she should be called upon to apologize for "offending" a person who is well known for trolling this forum to find something at which to take umbrage and, therefore, be justified in carrying on an extended and cruel harangue.
I will now sit back and wait to read about my many limitations and defects. Unfortunately for you, I have been your target twice, I know your cowardly tactics, and nothing you say will sake me as it has so many others. Go find yourself another patsy.
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In 2005, I posted this quote in my Fodor's profile: "When we lessen the burden of living for those around us we are doing well; when we add to the misery of the world we are not." The quote is from Choosing Civility, by P.M. Forni, who is cofounder of the Johns Hopkins Civility Project.
I did not find what TC wrote to be offensive, and I do not believe he/she should be called upon to apologize for "offending" a person who is well known for trolling this forum to find something at which to take umbrage and, therefore, be justified in carrying on an extended and cruel harangue.
I will now sit back and wait to read about my many limitations and defects. Unfortunately for you, I have been your target twice, I know your cowardly tactics, and nothing you say will sake me as it has so many others. Go find yourself another patsy.
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Sep 15th, 2015, 09:59 AM
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There I was Sunday night sitting next to my grandson at the Boston showing of The Book of Mormon trying to enjoy this raucous popular musical hit. Since I am elderly, I did not share in some of the audience laughter missing words or maybe punch lines of some humor. Yes, I was put off by what I considered racism and certainly some vulgarity along the way.
On the other hand I who consider Mormon beliefs and history so ridiculous couldn't help but laugh at times. Even though my great grandparents came from England as Mormon converts.
But I also laughed at the energy and overall entertainment of the dancing and humor. I now realize that not being into South Park generation with Stone and Park limits my acceptance.
Thanks for the reviews which shared various angles. Would love to hear any Bostonians or others about this traveling production.
On the other hand I who consider Mormon beliefs and history so ridiculous couldn't help but laugh at times. Even though my great grandparents came from England as Mormon converts.
But I also laughed at the energy and overall entertainment of the dancing and humor. I now realize that not being into South Park generation with Stone and Park limits my acceptance.
Thanks for the reviews which shared various angles. Would love to hear any Bostonians or others about this traveling production.
Sep 15th, 2015, 01:28 PM
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The original Broadway production must have featured actors who were a lot more talented at putting over the thin material than the touring company that spent August, 2014, in Seattle. With the $325 we spent for a tiresome afternoon, we could have gone to movie every month for a year.
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