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LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 05:31 PM

LOL, chicaglori, I had an employee like that but he was a male. He was such a miseralble person I finally moved him into a small office where neither we, our other employees or our clients had to see him. Good scenerio!!

chicagolori Jul 15th, 2006 05:40 PM

I can relate.

My company is embracing the "work at home" concept as it saves so much real estate expense, especially in Chicago.

I generally am not a fan of the idea, but in this case, i am making a BIG exception.

drewbari Jul 15th, 2006 06:28 PM

I am a long time poster. The way I see it, that the people who post those type of questions just want conversation, and opinions.

mms Jul 15th, 2006 06:31 PM

BayouGal--I just want to say that I agree with the others...please stick around:) Our problem poster on TA has tried to get to spoof us locals by posting under MANY screen names. It has become a joke, and even people who are not regulars there have seen it and spoken up about it. So you are not alone, unfortunately.

chicagolori--" I try to picture them sitting at their keyboard, red in the face, grinding their teeth, soaking in anger - and i sort of get amused now because no matter what, i am having a great time on the board while all the while they are about to bust a blood vessel." OMG, that is exactly what several of us think about our problem poster, lol!

drewbari Jul 15th, 2006 06:34 PM

If you dont like it, then dont read it.

razzledazzle Jul 15th, 2006 06:42 PM

What ?!?
There's a ***problem*** poster ???


LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 06:50 PM

LOL Razzle!! You noticed? BTW, bet the weather is cooler where you are then where I am. It is HOT here!

happytrailstoyou Jul 15th, 2006 07:02 PM

Drewbari wrote "If you dont like it, then dont read it." However, if you don't read it, you won't know whether you like it. Drew, baby, we read even your drivel.

I think most of those who post here really want to share their experiences with others and that if the questions were more interesting and challenging more of us would be thinking about good answers rather that trying to figure out why some people are so lazy, stupid, or mean spirited.

LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 07:08 PM

LOL happytrailstoyou, that is the problem isn't it? If you don't read it you don't know what the post says. Very good! A better suggestion is "if you don't like what you read don't respond". Happy reading everyone!!

dsquared Jul 15th, 2006 07:10 PM

Bayou Gal, sorry that you've had such an unpleasant experience. Do whatever you need to do, but I know I'd be sorry to lose your interesting posts here.

As to the OP's question, while I'm not a "long-timer," I do wonder about people who post things such as "I'll be in X city for a week's vacation - where should I stay and what is there to do? Any good restaurants?" I wonder how on earth they managed to pick the place for a vacation when they apparently know absolutely nothing about it. I used to post back asking about their interests, when they'd be coming, etc., to be able to provide them with decent recommendations. Usually they didn't answer, so I don't respond to those posts anymore.

Annabel Jul 15th, 2006 07:53 PM

Does anyone remember the time of triptiks and road maps??? Traveling was an adventure even if it was just over the state line. You did not know what to expect and that was half the fun. Now some people want other people's vacations....they want the "BEST" the best room, the best restaurant the best table in the best restaurant. Instead of creating their own experience, they want what everyone else had. The art of travel is lost and the true experience is gone sadly, for some. The internet is a blessing and a curse at the same time, it depends on how you use the information. I do skip over lots of vague threads in which the poster is too lazy to do a simple google search and ask a more detailed question. I always thought this board is a great place for first hand and true information when researching a destination, not an on line travel agency trip planner. The blatant "plan my trip for me" threads are not something I am interested in reading.

starrsville Jul 15th, 2006 08:42 PM

I think I'm the "rude" poster in the thread SAB refers to. The OP asks a somewhat specific question. A Fodorite recommends Priceline. OP responds with "which neighborhood"? Topic is SF.

How can anyone MISS the "what hotel to stay in SF/ NY/ HI'n island" threads on this board?

I suggest doing a bit of research.

OP says there are too many posts to go through.

I suggest OP use specific words in the search box AND GIVE SPECIFIC WORDS TO USE.

OP THANKS ME! and uses "Duh" (referring to self in that post).

But, since that thank you, OP has taken the time to trash me three times.

Let's see. One can take another by the hand, walk them down the hall, open the door and tell them to peek in for the answer.

Nooooooooo! I'm trashed because I didn't just TELL OP the answer.

I used the analogy of feeding with fish for the day or teaching one to fish. Other Fodorites agreed.

But, I get back on tonight and one again I am "chastised" for doing research (on behalf of OP), finding a possible hotel that meets their requirementS but NOT just listing the name of said hotel. trip found the hotel. There are great tripadvisor reviews on the hotel.

I have shaken my head and now just smile when I've read other threads when a Fodorite has suggested research - but has not been attacked by the OP. Just my good luck, I guess.

BTW, the "right" answer IMO is the Hotel Monaco (smile, LoveItaly! :-) )

Scarlett Jul 15th, 2006 08:50 PM

starrsville, no matter how nicely you say something, there is always going to be someone who will take it the wrong way, no matter what.
I have learned this lesson at the <b>Fodor School of Posting</b>. It was a hard lesson to learn, many arrows slung in my direction, many narrow minds to navigate around, but I think I am ready to graduate.
Just don't let them get you down, this is supposed to be fun. When it stops being fun, stop doing it..for at least a couple of hours LOL
((L)) Scarlett...

LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 08:51 PM

Hi there starrsville, lol!! Hotel Monaco you say? Works for me dear one. And if not the Hotel Monaco how about the Villa Florence?

Annabel Jul 15th, 2006 08:58 PM

Hey Starrsville! I used to do the same thing and get blasted for it...I too have been flamed because I suggested doing a bit of research. For the time it takes to post a vague question then wait for a vague answer then blast a poster for recommending research...they could have answered their own about DUH! I finally came to the conclusion that if these posts got zero responses, these posters may have to use a few more keystrokes and do some research. Talk about lazy! It's not like you have to get up or anything....just move your fingers.

razzledazzle Jul 15th, 2006 09:04 PM

Lord in Heaven~
anyone blasts me for Sonoma/Napa
&quot;advice&quot; I'm gonna wack them on the head with a non-vintage red !


razzledazzle Jul 15th, 2006 09:10 PM

I am reminded of a wonderful response:

&quot;If you don't like the answer ask another question&quot;



SAB Jul 15th, 2006 09:14 PM

Yes starsville, that thread and the &quot;lecture&quot; that the OP gave you is the one I was referring to.

starrsville Jul 15th, 2006 09:17 PM

Thanks SAB. I have, in fact, been &quot;lectured&quot; by the OP more than once. First thanked, now attacked. Oh, well.

starrsville Jul 15th, 2006 09:19 PM

Oh R5, how funny! Thanks, all!
Okay, LoveItaly, twist my arm! Maybe 1 night in each?

LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 09:59 PM

Hey dear starrsville, I am easy to get along with. The Monaco it is. So when are you getting to SF?

And Razzle, make sure that bottle is a real cheap nonvintage red, lol. No sense wasting good California wine is there?

fairygemgirl Jul 15th, 2006 10:06 PM

I still consider myself a newbie and have asked some stupid questions. But some lovely people took pity on me and answered anyway or told me what to do -- either was ok for me. I have to say that I really would hate if you long time posters quit - stop posting to the idiots but don't give up!! Took me a while to figure out how to do the basics that many already know, but in the mean time, I keep reading, laughing out loud, and occasionally pitching in an opinion, often to other newbies cuz I am in the same boat. I actually have a list of posters who I want to search so I can read their other stuff because they are so amusing/entertaining/good spirited and most of you are on it. Just wanted you to know that all newbies aren't ingrats!

mooselywild Jul 15th, 2006 10:16 PM

Also non- long time poster! I agree with everything aileen679 said. General questions annoy me- but mostly because I'm an obsessive researcher, so I really don't understand why some people don't research the heck out of a destination (even just Google) and THEN come and ask all you great lomgtimers here (and a few cheerful, bored lurkers such as myself- lurked a long time before I actually responded) specific questions! That said, I still reply if I know and have the time- or if a place I just never get tired of talking about is involved- Oregon Coast, PNW, Smithsonians, etc! And I really don't like negativity- like the countless &quot;should children be allowed in restaurants/planes&quot; threads floating around. Such arguments seem to degenerate- fast! Did that make any sense?

Anyway, hope everybody's having a great weekend!

LoveItaly Jul 15th, 2006 10:20 PM

Oh good grief, it IS the end of a long day. Starrsville I meant to say when are you COMING to SF? Forget that &quot;when are you getting to SF&quot;, I don't even know why I typed that LOL!

TravelTess Jul 15th, 2006 11:23 PM

Razzle - along with smilies and ****s, one musn't forget the requsite @};-

TravelTess Jul 15th, 2006 11:24 PM


BarryK Jul 16th, 2006 04:26 AM

It amazes me how wrapped up people get about food and restaurants. For example, &quot;I'm in xxxx. Can you recommend a good place for breakfast?&quot; It's just breakfast - How much input do you need about a bagel, or an omlette, or a bowl of cereal?
If you are that concerned about every meal, you probably need to lose some weight and shouldn't be asking the question :)

aileen679 Jul 16th, 2006 04:48 AM

When someone asks..&quot;Where's an inexpensive place to eat?&quot; and gives no details as to what they want, am I the only one that wants to suggest McDonalds or Burger King?

Or, they don't want to do the touristy thing. What on earth do they want? Maybe a ride around the residential areas, with a stop at the WalMart Superstore?

BTilke Jul 16th, 2006 04:56 AM

I don't mind some general questions, I remember all the stupid questions I asked when I first started traveling--things that seem second nature now (of course, back then, there were no Internet forums, I had to badger well-traveled friends and co-workers). I do get tired of the &quot;what shall I wear&quot; threads and people who ask for a hotel recommendation in a big city like NYC or London or Las Vegas without giving any hint of their budget or preferences. Fortunately, however, many of the first time questions come from people who have thought about what they want and it shows in their posts.
What really gets on *my* nerves is when people who have only been here a short time start posting questions that are generalizations about Fodorites and not so subtle requests to be told how wonderful they are. Like &quot; am I the only one who likes to plan my own trips?&quot; or &quot;am I the only adventure traveler left?&quot; or &quot;am I the only one who likes to go off the beaten path?&quot; Yeah, yeah, you're the ONLY one. The rest of us are just sheep.
Another annoyance is when people who have only been to someplace once years ago and then only for a day trip set themselves up as experts: &quot;don't go there, it's boring, there's nothing to see.&quot; (I have no objections if someone says they didn't care for a place, even daytrippers are entitled to opinions, just don't set yourself up as a know it all)

starrsville Jul 16th, 2006 05:09 AM

I'm with you on that, aileen! LOL about doing the residental neighborhoods and Wal-Mart!

If they aren't going on business, why WOULD they go to a popular tourist location and NOT want to do the things that draws people there.

I was at the coast last week = oceanfront &amp; never put my toes in the sand. I was on business. I did have great seafood though, but at my favorite restaurant I rarely recommend. It's in &quot;just a storefront&quot; and I can imagine the disappointment and/or criticsm when others eat there and come back and bash it. Location = nothing special. Food = consistent.

A few weeks ago I was at another popular coast location for this board. Even though I'm on expense account, I ate at the local cafeteria. I wanted veggies and &quot;real food&quot;. I did mention it this time because the OP is a friend - but I sort of braced myself to get bashed by a &quot;foodie&quot;. :-)

So many expectations. Evidently many of us aren't food snobs, hotel snobs or location snobs - and that is GREAT! I loved my lunch in the Eiffel Tower at Jules Verne. I laughed most at my Quik burger meal standing in line for the Lido show. We simply ran out of time sightseeing to have a sit-down dinner that night. Aint' travel grand!?!?! :-)

starrsville Jul 16th, 2006 05:15 AM

BTilke, you are quoted in one of the new Fodors guidebooks.

What the heck does your screenname mean? I'm in intrigued every time I see it :-)

And, I agree with your post just now!

JJ5 Jul 16th, 2006 05:17 AM

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

I notice I am one of the very few who answers those inane questions. I'm not trying to clean some one else's carpet.

And this question has been asked before several times, as well.

What I'm trying to do is in a kind way steer them to the less slothful methods. It only takes a few words most of the time.

And yes, some are super lazy. But that doesn't bother me a fraction as much as some of the long time posters who are arrogant, travel at a certain level and disdain an alternate's level type question, and generally just don't accept any newbie's learning curve. Nor when a group of long time poster internet &quot;friends&quot; gang up on a newbie or any other poster for an OPINION.

It happens constantly, even when that opinion is substantiated, and clearly stated as a opinion.

When emotional buttons are pushed (not intended- and that's exactly what Scarlett is saying in another way- that someone WILL read something entirely different and connote your words in THEIR slanted preceived direction)long termers get away with murder here, IMHO.

For instance, someone will get in a hothead stint as their favorite digs aren't &quot;loved&quot; universally. Yes, regulars do this- especially on the Europe board. And that behavior is generally overlooked by other regulars.

I could go further, but won't.

When someone is called names, or told to shut up, or anything like BayouGal is experiencing-when that happens and IT DOES- well, it is just as often the truth that the long time poster, mid or any other length poster, has read their own perceptions into a response that wasn't there at all. And made judgments that were totally subjective and somewhat irrational, as well.

And it IS just me, but I have always felt that the sins of omission (lax, slothful, inane) almost universally are less severe than sins of commission on Fodors. (Arrogance, bigger/better, clichishness, &quot;in&quot; language etc.) which are sins of commission.

So I continue to tell them about the search feature and ask them to redefine their questions for more apt answers to follow, whenever I have the energy. The only ones I do not respond to are in two classes: too general (what to do in California)and ones that I know from the context that my answers would not be their style anyway (ie. shopping and going to Wrigley in Chicago are my two favorite things to do).

I must say that I think the jumping on newbies has gotten must better than it was, say a year or two ago, circa 2004.
Good job on that.

LoveItaly, I can tell you are tired. It does take a bunch of time typing words to get the idea across to people that pre-thinking the question just a bit helps, doesn't it?

happytrailstoyou Jul 16th, 2006 05:23 AM


Plowing though your prose I was thinking &quot;Brevity is the soul of wit,&quot; but then I found you were articulating things I've thought many times, especially:

&quot;Nor when a group of long time poster internet &quot;friends&quot; gang up on a newbie or any other poster for an OPINION.

It happens constantly, even when that opinion is substantiated, and clearly stated as a opinion.

When emotional buttons are pushed (not intended- and that's exactly what Scarlett is saying in another way- that someone WILL read something entirely different and connote your words in THEIR slanted preceived direction)long termers get away with murder here, IMHO.

For instance, someone will get in a hothead stint as their favorite digs aren't &quot;loved&quot; universally. Yes, regulars do this- especially on the Europe board. And that behavior is generally overlooked by other regulars.

I wish you had gone on.


BTilke Jul 16th, 2006 05:29 AM

Starrsville, which book? Alas, they don't seem to carry Fodors guides in most UK bookstores (outside London, anyway). What did I say?
As for my screen name, it's name. First initial of my first name, then my last name. I'm thinking about re-registering with a more anonymous handle because I've gotten some weird emails that seemed suspiciously related to Fodors posts (years ago, I also included an email address in many posts).

starrsville Jul 16th, 2006 05:36 AM

I don't remember. I scanned three at the bookstore. I'll go back and re-read and take notes.

BTilke Jul 16th, 2006 05:48 AM

No, no, not necessary! But thanks anyway :-D

Jed Jul 16th, 2006 06:05 AM

Questions that show no work or thought on the part of the questioner is indicative of an inexperienced or lazy traveller. Replying to the lazy ones is not usually fruitful or appreciated.

Responding to vague questions is like throwing darts in the dark. ((*))

amaclise Jul 16th, 2006 06:09 AM

JJ5 I always like your posts.

I still agree with you that Aurora is not a suburb! ;-)

I am using your alternate for the Dan Ryan next weekend! ;-)

And I'll gladly join you at a Chicago GTG if there is one! ;-)

bugswife1 Jul 16th, 2006 06:18 AM

I have been posting for 8 years. Since last November, I have only posted a handful of times. I took a break during a fodor banning debacle and realized that my addiction had been cured. I can live without Fodors. I am a Fodorholic.

I find now that I am mostly on the board to research my trips, and then I will skim the boards to see if I can help someone, but I am getting more and more selective as to which questions I will bother to answer. I also find that the Africa board and other boards are more diverse and there are less repetitive questions.

I used to answer every question about NYC, but then I started to read the trip reports after people returned. I found that maybe 1 out of 10 strayed 'outside the box' and did a few things not on the tourist top 10 list. The rest of them just crammed in 50 things in a weekend. You don't need my help to do that. But if someone expresses an interest in off or off-off broadway, lincoln center, carnegie hall, special exhibits, or off-beat venues, I am there. Because, honestly, I don't think it matters if your first broadway show is Beauty &amp; the Beast, Lion King, or Tarzan. Just go for christ sakes, and form your own opinion.
Bottom line, it is not worth it to get irritated about other people's posts. Just answer what you want to answer, and move on.

JJ5 Jul 16th, 2006 06:48 AM

amaclise, Sept. 14, hold the date.

Look on Chicago GTG heading here for details as it gets closer. Faina's coming in and others as well.

Yes, to all of the above, but Jed, that's how learning starts. All learning. It IS a dart thrown in the dark.

So is political freedom, tolerance to difference, inclusiveness, empowerment for the lowly, or .... list goes on.

It's slow, AND also lengthy in the teaching words (no brevity for the depth of this issue/sadly) and it is one after another, after another single person out there hit by a dart in the blackness. But they are hit. Some of them. Never all, nor even a majority.

And bugswife, I noticed. I also left for a period of 3 years once- and I am selective as well. But there are also places I've &quot;seen&quot; differently since I came back.

And amaclise, please be careful. They just closed another few exits, 31st St. being one. It would probably be good to view online Chicago Southland CVB Welcome (google that) and link to the expressway view before you go- even if you are not going to be &quot;on&quot; there at all.

And, yes, Aurora is not a suburb. LOL!

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