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It is time to move on and start talking about travel again!!!

It is time to move on and start talking about travel again!!!

Sep 18th, 2001, 05:48 PM
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So terrorism has nothing to do with travel? Folks who post regularly are not allowed to vent or grieve? Just happy talk, is that the program?

Weather's fine here, NY, how bout you? (That's irony, son.)
Chase away Fodors friends who are hurt or angry at these events (which are indeed travel related) & I wouldn't blame a one if they didn't come back.

Sep 18th, 2001, 05:52 PM
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see what I mean about the vultures??
Sep 18th, 2001, 06:01 PM
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Yep, you posted right after me, son. Travel on.
Sep 18th, 2001, 06:06 PM
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While I understand your desire for the more 'normal' things in life, I'm not sure it's really possible at this point. I live in the Midwest--far away from New York yet it's affected my family and me to a large degree. You know, as adults we're supposed to be strong for our kids and I was doing a good job until church last Sunday. We had a 'patriotic' service and sang 'America' and 'My Country Tis of Thee' at the beginning of the service...that pretty much clinched it for me and I wept the entire rest of the service. Instead of being scared or embarrassed, my kids took comfort in the fact that I was as sad, mad and confused as they are. As a nation we have to get through this initial stage of grief before we can move on. On the other hand, reading about travel and the lighter side of life is a welcome respite...guess we all need different comfort at different times.
Sep 18th, 2001, 06:48 PM
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I disagree with some people here I think. Though I feel ready to engage in regular travel talk again, I also would say I am maybe 5% into my grief process, and doubt that anybody else is very far past this. (This is about what % of the World Trade Center has been removed from the crash site; I feel like a crash site.)I believe people and Americans in particular are often in too much of a hurry to "move on," push grief aside, etc., and I believe it's not good for us to be like this.

I also believe we need to return to living normally, maintaining our obligations, and doing things for pleasure--that we can do this and also be involved in grieving.
Sep 18th, 2001, 07:02 PM
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I disagree with Neil's post but agree with his message. I am watching Frasier now because I am finding some distractions theraputic.

I was watching CBS tonight and they had a story about chemical weapons. They couldn't understand why terrorists hadn't used anthrax on NYC killing most of its residents. I felt nauseous not from anthrax but from CBS. I am on the "frontlines" in NYC and feel totally helpless. It made me think that I used to go to Fodors to escape the world for a moment. I used to go to Hawaii or to Paris without leaving my computer, anywhere but Afganistan. I disagree with Neil's bluntness, but I agree that maybe I will feel better going to Hawaii and not staying with the WTC. My wife and I just opened up a bottle of wine and checked out digital cameras on the internet. We checked out cameras because after watching CBS, we are not sure if we will be here when the war is over. It may sound like an overstatement, but for those who may have seen the report would be spooked also. I agree with Neil in that I want to cyber-travel but also know that things have to run their course and people have to be human with human emotions. Despite Neil's callousness that "it is time to move on", it may be helpful to disappear from the world for a while and play on Fodors again.
Sep 19th, 2001, 06:41 AM
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I doubt you linger over destination threads if they don't interest or apply to you. Control yourself & do the same with all posts.

Wouldn't the need to return to "normalcy" be better served by being part of what you see as the solution, not being part of what you see as the problem?

If you really want to talk about travel, wouldn't it be kinder & wiser to make a travel post, rather than post something you know is going to upset & cause more discussion of the very thing you profess to want to avoid? I mean really, there's a current thread where geth is looking for a honeymoon destination within a 12 hour drive of home. Immediately someone jumped the poor girl, chiding her for being anxious about boarding a plane 3 weeks from now.

As for pulling posts, sure the powers that be want us to talk about travel. Their industry is in real trouble. But is excluding talk of events which caused the problem is the thing to do? Some great ideas & answers just might lie in the exchanges here.

Fodors Friends who are at or near the epicenters of these tragedies need & deserve our encouragement & love, not criticism & censor. They're experiencing today & tomorrow in a way that the rest of us, hopefully, will never truly know.

If you want to keep this bb & the travel industry alive this is the time to relax board rules, not tighten them.

Sep 19th, 2001, 06:50 AM
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I agree with Curious. I'm a regular and this stuff doesn't bother me. I've posted to some of the Terrorist threads AND I've posted to some of the travel threads. I can do both. I think it's nice that we have a forum. Some of us have become friends, without actually knowing one another. I welcome this respite from the real world zinging past me.
Sep 19th, 2001, 07:03 AM
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Well put, OO, and others, as usual. To the more discerning (with whom I happily count myself in my more restrained monents), one sees travel interwoven with grief and fear and shock. We are trying to take the tilt out of the world, but may suspect it will remain so. Nonetheless, we are attempting to regain a travel perspective, a prespective that will permit us to pick up that phone and make the call. Airline, rental car, hotel, restaurants. We cannot regain some semblance of normal life unless we stare into the abyss created by those monsters. Thus, we use this wonderful means of communication, and our newly found friends, with bonds created in a moment of madness, and we try to move on. We're trying. Have patience, and join us. Now, have you seen the current New Yorker cover? Titled 9/11/01. It deserves to be framed and placed in a special place. Ciao
Sep 19th, 2001, 07:12 AM
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- Let's limit this board to talking about travel.

- People here are free to talk about what concerns them.

- But people come to read about travel, not political discussions.

- Come on - Why are you trying to restrict our freedom of speech.

- I didn't say that. You are purposely misinterpreting what I said.

- What do you think this is? Nazi Germany or Communist Russia? Do we have to be PC 24/7?

- You sicko. Go back to your ACLU.

- Go back to your Aryan Nation you nuthead.

- People, people, let's be civil.

- Who asked you?

- Who asked you?
Sep 19th, 2001, 07:23 AM
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Forgot to refill your valium?
Sep 19th, 2001, 10:01 AM
Dallas, Texas
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It's still a free country (feels good to say that); post what you like, read what you like, post replies to what you like, and let everyone else do the same!
Sep 19th, 2001, 11:02 AM
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I've been checking this site about 3 times a day since the tragedy last Tuesday. This site has been an invaluable source of what people around the country and around the world are thinking about travel in relation to the massacre last week. I also gained much from the wonderful condolence messages from our European (and beyond) friends. The world has become a much smaller place and it helps to know that there are people out there who care. Let's not stop talking just yet.
Sep 19th, 2001, 01:20 PM
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I like what others have said, but I will also say that Fodors Editors are busy removing some of the threads.

I, for one, posted a question (poll) on Fodors on using "nuk*s" - and was very serious - only to have Fodors remove them twice.

I am greatly concerned that much more destructive 'things' are coming our way or have been planned; Therefore, on that famous Tuesday, I actually considered driving from my home on the east coast to the Ohio/PA Border because my believe there was more of a chance of a nuke going off in NYC. I believed, at the time, that if they could have, they would have. Now... am I nuts? Fodors, if you let my post live longer, I may have heard what others were thinking.

Travel will be significant as it relates to war. I don't want my family to go on an exchange program; or my visiting them in Europe. When the dust settles, staying together and taking trips to non-tier 1 cities may be MORE crowded next summer.. so now is the time to lock in reservations and cheap rates.. that is travel talk too...

Sep 19th, 2001, 02:26 PM
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Gee, "Sorry", did those mean ole Fodor folks pull your innocent little question about nuk*s. And did it twice!! My, my. By the way, do they come in various flavors. I mean, what is a nuk* anyway ... some kinda fruit on a tree or possibly low-hanging nut thing. The Ohio/Pa. border, you say ... me oh my, what self awareness. Think I'll go and wash my hands now. Ciao
Sep 19th, 2001, 02:41 PM
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Hey, buddy, I thought you were going to be nice now
Sep 19th, 2001, 02:43 PM
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Hey L,
Nuk* and in Nuke as in mass destruction as in America's ace in the hole.

Nuke as in 'mind changing' significant event. Nuke as in do now what you always wanted to do. Nuke as in Enola "don't ask, don't tell"

If not now, when?

Yes, the terror attack has modified my thinking. Nuke as in ... From remote possibility (like winning the lottery if I played) to planned probability (although a small probability, like a 70 degree day on Christmas in the NEast; does not happen often, but it will happen sometime)

Travel is no longer just a part of enjoying life, but is now a part of sparing life.

Sep 19th, 2001, 02:44 PM
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Yes, you're correct. I must have slipped. I'll try to keep it nice from here on out. Wow, I feel better. And thanks, and ciao
Sep 19th, 2001, 03:19 PM
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What was travel like during World War 2? Where did people go who had the time and could afford it? I know my parents were stationed in the coastguard in the caribbean and managed to visit various islands. I dont think europe will be safe after we attack Iraq.

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