Housing Four Week Ballet Intensive July/Aug
 

My daughter and granddaughter are looking for housing as above and need help choosing a safe convenient neighborhood. Price a factor as the school fees are high.

There is a place that looks interesting in the Bed-Stuy neighborhood in Brooklyn on Stuyvesant near Macon. We’ve heard mixed things about this area so any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

Other suggestions welcomed.

You don't give any info about this school, are we to presume it is in the Uppert East Sider? Or is it in the East Village or near Union Square or the upper West Side? Those are just a few locations for such things. There are various dance companies and dance schools that offer such summer classes in the NY metro area. I thought those schools generally provided student housing.

School is on upper West Side. They want to stay together and as there is no meal plan believe they can fend for themselves more reasonably.

" . . . believe they can fend for themselves more reasonably." . . . in an illegal apartment?

IMO they would manage MUCH better using the school's resources/housing office.

What makes you think it would be illegal? New at this don’t know NYC. Her parents want her accompanied. Schools housing very expensive and inadequate. No meal plan. They are not going to leave her alone for a month.

"What makes you think it would be illegal?" Because almost all short term rentals in NYC are illegal.

Yes, most short term rentals in NYC are illegal. But that aside, the other thing you need to consider is how to get to and from the dance studio. That location in Brooklyn has the advantage of being on the C subway line which runs to the upper west side. So depending on the exact location of both that rental and the studio transit time door to door will only take 45min to an hour each way, every day. Or twice a day if someone escorts her to the studio both ways.

If they stay somewhere that is farther from a subway, or they need to connect, the ride could be longer.

Back to the law....
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/specialenf...for-hosts.page

So this is the Paris situation repeated here. Is it possible to determine which units/airb&b’s are legit? Surely people needing to be in the city for several weeks don’t stay in a hotel. Thanks for help so far.

Less that 30d, it's illegal, period.
Unless (all of the following)
a) the owner of the unit is also residing IN the same unit
b) no more than 2 guests
c) all rooms in the unit can be accessed by guests.
d) no locks on the guest room

details are in the link i posted above.
If the rental is for >30d then it's not considered short term.

The law is in place to protect the housing stock for permanent residents of the city.

Many thanks for clearing that up, J62.

"So this is the Paris situation repeated here."

Not really -- It is a very recent thing in Paris -- really only since airbnb exploded.

Short term rentals have been illegal for ages - long before the vrbo/airbnb/homeaway phenomena.

I didn’t know that, janisj.

If they extend their stay for a few days, they will be there more than 30 days and should be fine.

Good point, nelsonian.
If the school is on the UWS, see if they can find something on the UWS.
I can ask a friend if she knows of anything if you like. She lives (and grew up) there.

If they can stay longer than 30 days, they are probably not subject to the short-term rental law, but they may be in violation of the apartment's lease. Many rental and co-op/condo apartments rental/proprietary leases have restrictions about subletting, requiring the arrangements to happen with the approval of the landlord/board. It is true that many people choose to ignore this part of their lease, and many visitors have successful stays, but there might be a problem. Just thought all should know it is not necessarily clear sailing for longer stays.

Places in the upper west side are much smaller, shabbier and unappealing in the same price range. The place they are contemplating has numerous recent laudatory reviews.

Thanks for all comments...

Unfortunately "numerous recent laudatory reviews" does not mean it s legal -- What site did you find it on? The VAST majority of airbnb/vrbo/etc listings have reviews and are still illegal.

janisj, I thought it had been established that staying for 30 days made renting it legit...

Yes, do the 31 day stay. I read all the reviews and you want something rodent free.

In real estate, there are three primary consiserations.

Location, Location, Location.

If they are ok with the 45min to 1hr commute, each way twice a day (or 4x each day if they escort her) then the one you pointed to is an ok location.