Tiff, I don't know what to say except that I am so very sorry. Hugs to you and your husband. AnnMarie

Tiff-
So sorry to hear your sad news. My first pregnancy was ectopic but unfortunately burst and only a strange series of lucky events caused my husband to return home in time to scoop me off the floor and off to the hospital in time to have surgery. Since then despite having only one fallopian tube I had three beautiful, amazing kids. My heartfelt best wishes for you!!!!

Oh, Tiff, I am so sorry. My heart is breaking for you and your husband. Please know we are here for you. It may be hard to think this way now, but I truly believe there is a reason for everything. Figuring out the reason is the tough part. Stay strong!

Otto--so sorry to hear about your grandfather! My condolences.

Thank you all for your extremely heartfelt words. We lost our first baby last year to a rare disorder (happens to one in every 40,000 babies). We were at 16 weeks. So it was comforting to read and made my eyes tear up that people like you CAPH, had the blessing of a healthy baby after two losses... Or you SueHoff, despite an ectopic and then one fallopian tube, were able to conceive three children.

You all continue to be an inspiration. Thank you.

Tiff, I'm sorry to hear about the eptopic pregnancy. A friend of mine had an eptopic pregnancy the first time around. She now has 2 healthy kids.

And congrats to OWJ, and Mr. OWJ. A child should be so fortunate to have you as a parent.

Tiff, I said this once before on this board and I'm not sure it came across quite right. And it may not this time either but, here goes...My son always says he's glad we had the two miscarriages 'cause he knows if we hadn't, we wouldn't have had him. Oh, we would have had a child-- maybe a girl, maybe a boy with a different mix of genes. But we wouldn't have had HIM. And, looking at it in that way, I too am glad we had the miscarriages. It makes me very sad to think that we might never have gotten to know and love the kid we have now.

BTW, I was rushing to get to work earlier! Meant to say "ectopic".

Tiff,
I'm at work so can't write you a private message right now but couldn't wait til I got home.

Sweetie, I wish we lived closer because I would come over in a NY second and give you and Mr. Tiff big hugs, make something for dinner and bring a Costco sized supply of Kleenex. My heart is breaking for you both. I know only too well what roller coasters pregnancy are and wished so, soo hard for you to make it to the finish line.

I guess the good news is is that people do have successful pregnancies after ectopics. My coworker K is an example. She has two gorgeous girls and this is despite being a DES baby and having a wacky shaped uterus.

OWJ

CAPH--Your son is a wise young man. That's a great way of thinking of it and I bet Tiff will take your words in the way that they were meant. I could see how caring they were and have little doubt our sweet Tiff will too. I know we all want to wrap our arms around her and Mr. Tiff and make things better, or at least easier.

OWJ

Tiff, I am so sorry to hear the news. My thoughts are prayers are with you and your husband. I wish I could comfort you. Lisa

CAPH, OWJ is wise beyond her years, of course I took your heartfelt words in the manner of which you intended. It is the same as I feel about my DH, it I hadn't had heartbreak, I wouldn't have the blessing of being married to him. Even though I have had tears in my eyes all day, there is a hope down deep inside me that never completely goes out, thank you for your caring ways.

OWJ ~ I wish we lived closer too, dear friend, so much. You are a love, thank you for your virtual dinner and kleenex, could we get a little dessert with that too?
(Ok, is it conceited that the above dessert request just made me laugh for a second -- laughter through tears is my favorite medicine...)

Oh man guys, that which does not kill us...

I have to tell you about my little Sophie ((&)) When I was lying down earlier, trying to distract myself with a movie hoping I could nap, she came over and cuddled with me as always, but this time, she actually placed her head on top of my head and just sat there very still with her head on top of mine. (Ok, I am crying again now, but I had to tell you this, especially if cmcfong checks in). She is an angel.

Thank you oldmyst, dearly, I just saw what you wrote.

Oh Tiff, words fail me. I wish I could give you and your husband the heart boost you need right now. I believe God works for each of us and He will bless you and your dear husband. You are such warm and beautiful people, He will find a way.
I am grateful you are sharing each step of this journey with us, my heart and prayers are with you. My shoulder is here for you, too, dear heart. Bless that dear little Sophie for being there to give you just the right touch. @};-

Thank you my cmcfong, what you said was precious, it comforts me more than you know. I won't lose hope, don't worry. God has blessed us so much, if this is all there is, I have much to be grateful for and even through times like these I count my blessings.

Hello dear Tiff, you already know how my heart and prayers go to you and your DH. You have been in my thoughts since I woke up this morning. Like OWJ I wish we lived in the same city..I would like to be there with you to give you hugs, comfort and a heart full of love.

Oh Tiff, you lift my heart with your courage and strength. God bless you.

You truly are an inspiration, Tiff!

Tiff, lo siento mi amiga.
My DIL had a rare and potentially dangerous cervical ectopic not long ago, but was treated effectively with MTX and did not require surgery.
M

Whatcha want for dessert, dear friend? I'll whip something up right now with a twitch of my nose, just like Samantha Stevens!! Love ya, Tiff!

Tiff, I lurk on FFR&R and was so happy about your news. (You took me on that magical trip to Florence with you)... And now I am so sorry to hear the latest update. You have so much support here and have heard so many positive stories. I wish you the best possible outcome and will keep you in my prayers. I just know that good things are waiting for you.

This is so sad...

My condolences to Otto on your grandfather. No words can say what I feel right now, as I remember the death of my beloved grandmother vividly, even though it was almost 8 years ago. She was simply irreplaceable, as I know your grandfather was.

My condolences to you too, Tiff. I hope you are given the blessing soon to be a mother. Any child that comes your way will certainly be in heaven on earth.

Oh Tiff, I'm so sorry to read your news. All I can say is that I'm thinking of you and saying prayers for peace and comfort. Hugs.

Oh Tiff :-(

I can't imagine what you're going through - you must have had high hopes for both of your pregnancies

I'm so sorry - you are in my thoughts. You and your DH.

Please remain positive!

I'm sure you will be after you have grieved for the baby, just give yourselves some time - but I'm sure you know that already after last year :-(

Best wishes, my dear - lots of love coming your way XXXXX

LoveItaly ~ thank you dear friend.

Mikemo ~ Gracias mi amigo. I remember when your DIL was going through her loss, we were so sad but then so relieved when you knew she would be ok and that the meds were working, we will keep that in mind.

gomiki ~ Of course I remember you, as now, you said such kind things on our report. Thank you for your good wishes.

mcnyc ~ What a kind thing to say.

Oh Tess, thank you, your earlier messages meant so much to me too, I appreciate it more than you know.

alya ~ You are so right, we did have high hopes indeed. I can feel all the love coming our way and it has brought us SO much comfort. I wish for everyone going through a hardship to have such support. I am overwhelmed.

((L))

What goes around, comes around, Tiff. You've always been so supportive of all of us. How could we not want to do the same for you?

Tiff--

So sorry to hear of your heartbreaking news. I was hoping for better news after reports of your low betas last week. Please take time to grieve and be comforted with your loved ones surrounding you. If you are looking for a place to vent online, or talk to other women that have been through the same thing, take a look at rubber-ducky dot org. They have a specific message board for grief and loss and several of those ladies, myself included, have experienced devastating ectopic pg's.

Hugs to your and your DH,
AZWildcat

tiff...our thoughts are with you. i read somewhere once..."the world is insane, in ways that heal, as well as hurt". and, the body is a complicated, and capable thing. anything is possible!

AZWildcat--I meant to post and thank you for that link to rubber ducky. I checked it out this weekend...it *is* a terrific place to go. Thanks for letting me (and Tiff) know about it.

OWJ

This is last weeks, I was not on and as there is sorrowful news already- I'm just adding my news for those who have emailed me directly. You all have no need to answer or reply, it's just a way for me to state the facts for myself, or to cyberspace or anyplace but here.

And I read that "what goes around comes around" refrain and think it sometimes isn't so.

My Mom is dying slowly and in a piecemeal horrendous fashion- she's 2 months past her prognosis now, my sister is in her second phase of a 3 phase chemotherapy that will last another 13 months and now my father has had a major stroke and is paralyzed on his left side, can't talk, can barely swallow.

Rants look entirely different to me now than they did a year ago.

I'd switch with just about any of you right now.

Dear JJ5, I don't have the words to say how sorry I am about this situation you are in. You are in my thoughts and prayers.

JJ5, I have to echo gomiki. No one should have to go through what you're enduring right now. I'm sure it makes you wonder about the old saying that God never gives you more than you can bear. However, obviously He knows that you're a very strong woman. I hope it helps at least a little bit to know that we're all praying for you and your family.

JJ5 ~ I am truly sorry for the pain and illness that you and your loved ones are experiencing. May you continue to find strength from those that care about you. Peace.

JJ5--I'm at a loss for words. I don't feel like 'I'm sorry' is enough for all that you and your family is going through.

OWJ

That's ok- no need to answer. Just welcome me back with some cheer when there comes a day. Thanks.

JJ5, you and your family are in my prayers.

JJ5, I am so sorry about your family. I can imagine what you are going though. I lost my sister at age 35,grandmother, favorite uncle and mother with a few years of each other. I saw my mother die, and not a day doesn't go by that I don't think of her. I truly feel for you, and I am with you in my thoughts and prayers. Just remember you have a lot of people here to support you and help you get through this horrific time.

Tess, I am still sending you good thoughts. Lisa

JJ5--I, too, am at a loss for words. I know you don't expect us to answer you back but I just want you to know that my heart reaches out to you. I am deeply sorry for all that you and your family are enduring right now. Please know you are in my thoughts and prayers.

Dear Tiff,

I am so very sorry to read about your turn of events. Such highs and lows of life - who knows the reasons why. I was once told that when we ask the question "Why?" we close the door to peace and hope. May you and your DH have peace - I know you have lots of hope. I share your hope too.

Hugs and love ((l))

STW


Your friends are here for you.

Otto, I am sorry to read about the loss of your grandfather. My thoughts and prayers are with you during this time.

JJ5, (big sigh) just hold on. My prayers are with you. Please, please, take care of yourself!