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SoBeTraveller Apr 15th, 2004 08:06 AM

Just an amazing discussion - thanks to all who contributed.

TedTurner Apr 15th, 2004 09:48 AM

Re: pathogens surviving on toilet seats, this abstract from the Journal of Applied Microbilogy will fan the flames of Annabel's paranoia:

Survival of Salmonella in bathrooms and toilets in domestic homes following salmonellosis.

Barker J, Bloomfield SF.

Pharmaceutical Sciences Institute, School of Life and Health Sciences, Aston University, Birmingham, UK
The survival and environmental spread of Salmonella bacteria from domestic toilets was examined in homes, where a family member had recently suffered an attack of salmonellosis. In four out of six households tested, Salmonella bacteria persisted in the biofilm material found under the recess of the toilet bowl rim which was difficult to remove with household toilet cleaners. In two homes Salmonella bacteria became incorporated into the scaly biofilm adhering to the toilet bowl surface below the water line. Salmonella enteritidis persisted in one toilet for 4 weeks after the diarrhoea had stopped, despite the use of cleaning fluids. Salmonellas were not isolated from normally dry areas such as, the toilet seat, the flush handle and door handle. Flushing the toilet resulted in contamination of the toilet seat and the toilet seat lid. In one out of three seedings, Salmonella bacteria were also isolated from an air sample taken immediately after flushing, indicating that airborne spread of the organism could contaminate surfaces in the bathroom. In the seeded toilet Salmonella bacteria were isolated from the biofilm in the toilet bowl below the waterline for up to 50 days after seeding, and also on one occasion from the bowl water. The results suggest that during diarrhoeal illness, there is considerable risk of spread of Salmonella infection to other family members via the environment, including contaminated hands and surfaces in the toilet area.
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From the same journal, kitchens are dirtier than toilets:

Reduction of faecal coliform, coliform and heterotrophic plate count bacteria in the household kitchen and bathroom by disinfection with hypochlorite cleaners.

Rusin P, Orosz-Coughlin P, Gerba C.

University of Arizona, Tucson 85721, USA.

Fourteen sites evenly divided between the household kitchen and bathroom were monitored on a weekly basis for numbers of faecal coliforms, total coliforms and heterotrophic plate count bacteria. The first 10 weeks comprised the control period, hypochlorite cleaning products were introduced into the household during the second 10 weeks, and a strict cleaning regimen using hypochlorite products was implemented during the last 10 weeks. The kitchen was more heavily contaminated than the bathroom, with the toilet seat being the least contaminated site. The highest concentrations of all three classes of bacteria were found on sites that were moist environments and/or were frequently touched; these included the sponge/dishcloth, the kitchen sink drain area, the bath sink drain area, and the kitchen faucet handle(s). The implementation of a cleaning regimen with common household hypochlorite products resulted in the significant reduction of all three classes of bacteria at these four sites and other household sites.


Marilyn Apr 15th, 2004 09:57 AM

OK, TedTurner, but if the skin on your buttocks comes in contact with salmonella (because you didn't put TP on the seat), how do you get ill from it, assuming you wash your hands after you finish your business?

TedTurner Apr 15th, 2004 10:12 AM

1) I'm not suggesting that sitting on toilet seats is a major cause of infections in the USA. I was merely pointing out that the notion that bugs (including STD's) can't survive on toilet seats is not entirely true (from a scientific standpoint).
2) How would the organism get from one's rear to one's hand to one's mouth? Hmmm. Think of Al Bundy or Oscar Madison or...well...no need to be graphic.

TrendGirl Apr 15th, 2004 10:22 AM

I am "grossed out" and can't believe I read this entire thread. Too much information!

gojacks Apr 15th, 2004 10:42 AM

What a bunch of hypochondriacs. Have you people seen " As Good As It Gets". The guy is a freak as are all you who worry about this. AAFrequentflyer is the only voice of reason on this thread. Germ freaks cause more harm by constant cleaning since it destroys normal bacterial flora that helps prevent the spread of disease and infection.

Annabel Apr 15th, 2004 10:54 AM

Has anyone looked at the Fodors Homepage lately?? Read the Tipster article about hotel bedspreads.

For those of you that are ignorant on the spreading of germs, I think instead of flaming me, you should educate yourself. Everything I posted is true, so if you sit on a public toilet seat, or not flush it before using among the other things posted...well that is your business.

Regarding airplane toiltes..(because I was flamed on that too)
I would like to know how you DO sit on a toilet seat? If you never got lessons.. first you flush it then you lift up the seat and you squat over the bowl and pee. It's not a very difficult thing to do. I do not leave the seat down because I know there are many of people who do sit, this way you are not sitting on my pee. Then you flush. Not a hard thing to do!

gojacks Apr 15th, 2004 10:59 AM

Are you trying to potty train us now?

MzPossum Apr 15th, 2004 11:01 AM

My experience has been that people who don't sit on the seat usually wet it and don't clean it off. Yeesch!

TrendGirl Apr 15th, 2004 11:49 AM

I much prefer the posts that discuss restaurants, great food, shopping, culture, and wonderful things to see and visit. I now need a vomit bag after reading this. I am out-a-here! Too much information!

kamahinaohoku Nov 9th, 2004 02:04 PM

ttt

Lapdog Nov 9th, 2004 02:26 PM

My momma always made me take a shower instead of a bath. She said 1 minute in a bath and I'm washing in dirty water.

FainaAgain Jul 20th, 2005 02:24 PM

Topping... just because :d

machin Jul 20th, 2005 03:11 PM

faina, are you popgear?

FainaAgain Jul 20th, 2005 03:24 PM

Not that I know of... why?

machin Jul 20th, 2005 03:28 PM

Because popgear has been topping old threads on the Europe board.

FainaAgain Jul 20th, 2005 03:30 PM

Yeah, I saw a couple.

No, I work alone. 8-)

OneWanderingJew Jul 21st, 2005 01:24 AM

The *crap* you can read after a 4am feeding of a sick cat...yeah, I'm nuts--and I remove the bedspread too. Ewww...and I try never to sprinkle when I tinkle :D

Funniest post goes to Peterboy :-)

dcespedes Jul 21st, 2005 04:48 AM

Faina, you have a knack for finding the obscure old posts--I love it! :-D

iamq Jul 21st, 2005 06:04 AM

One of the major players in this thread posted recently about visiting a spa! After rereading this, I can't imagine her at a spa! She must have gotten help.

-Bill


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