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bly Sep 17th, 2001 10:53 AM

Tannya: Grateful to be home at last. Our flight was diverted over the Atlantic to Amsterdam, where we were stranded for 4 days. Finally got on a flight to Detroit, overnight Detroit, late flight to Denver. So I have a pretty good idea of what you can/cant take. No swiss army knives, leathermans, metal nail files, cuticle scissors, nail clippers, tweezers, blade razors. Any of these were confiscated and not returned. If carrying on cell phones, laptops, cd/tape players, gameboys, electric razors, etc may have to show it works (phone & laptop better be charged up) I sent my camera, lenses and cd player through checked luggage to avoid a full luggage search, however I was stopped at one of the airports to have my carryon hand searched. Better safe than sorry & corrollary (sp) better to check and avoid the search. Also, if carrying film, would buy a lead lined film envelope b/c the x-rays are all the way up and may ruin any exposed film. b

janis Sep 17th, 2001 11:04 AM

Yesterday I flew from Sacramento to Burbank. No lines at either end. My southwest flight had only 34 on board - but Sunday is a light day on that route so don't know what it is like today. No lines so security took very little time. Burbank was basically a ghost town.

Rick Sep 17th, 2001 11:37 AM

Flew from Maui to LAX on Friday. Flight attendants were very, very nice but broke down and sobbed on both takeoff instructions and landing, too. Thanked passengers for being so nice to them. Not any of the normal banter from the cockpit at all. Flight home to Sacto was cancelled so we rented a car and drove home (400 miles) instead of putting up with searching for a flight.

jode Sep 17th, 2001 12:15 PM

We just came home around 2:30 a.m. EST from SF - we were suppose to come home last Thursday but our flight was cancelled and this was the first one we could get. Check in at SFO was recommended 3 hr - we were there 5 hours early (not a chance we would miss our flight!) and it took every bit of 3 hours just to get to the counter. USAir had very very long lines - but at SFO they were good about pulling out people who were at the end of the line who would have missed their flight. They did check lots of bags being checked through although not ours - my husband thought they seemed to be extra careful with "single" travelers rather than couples - don't know if that is true just an observation. Security had on latex gloves and were randomly picking bags and opening and literally taking everything out - not just feeling around for objects. Our hand baggage was xrayed very very closly but not actully emptied - we were asked about nail clippers, scissors, razors, etc. We did see a piece of carry on luggage that was just sitting by a pole at the gate get reported to security - they came with a sniffing ddog - took away the bag and when the person came looking for it he was told it was a Federal offense and he could not fly until he identified himself with the police - I don't think he was "trouble" just guilty of being stupid. Our flight connected in Philly where again there was real security presence and unfortunately our last flight to Manchester NH was cancelled and we had to go to Logan - which is where we normally fly from - and I'm ashamed to say that Logan hasn't learned a lot - not much visable security (maybe given the late hour it was not necessary) but the staff were fairly giddy and very unprofessional - shame on them. Glad to be back - if you have any questions let me know.

Shel Sep 17th, 2001 01:56 PM

<BR>My husband flew from Oakland to LAX last night. It took him a while to get through security but only because he accidentally left a pocketknife in his laptop case. He looked for it before he left home (to make sure he left it at home) and he couldn't find it in his own bag, so he was sure he had left it in another bag. Not so. When he was going through security they x-rayed his bag 2 times. Then searched it, then x-rayed it again, and finally found the pocketknife in a little zippered pocket full of kleenex that I had stuffed in there for our last europe trip. <BR> <BR>They told him he could put the pocket knife in his rollaboard and check it, so he did. Then he had to come back through security. This time he set off the walk-through sensor and had to take off his belt, go through again, was patted down thoroughly, and finally sent on his way. <BR> <BR>He said that everyone was very nice, very patient and friendly, and very professional. He was glad that they found the pocketknife becuase he thought he may have lost it, but he was also embarrased that he had not removed it in advance. He was also grateful for the increased security. <BR> <BR>His flight was mostly empty (he said 10 or so passengers) and he admitted to feeling anxious both waiting in the terminal and on the plane. <BR> <BR>When he landed in LAX and got on the rental car shuttle, he was told there was a bomb threat in one of the terminals. Wonderful. I can't tell you how much I wish he didn't have to travel for a living. <BR> <BR>We are still planning a trip to Hawaii in October. Wish us luck. <BR> <BR>Shel

Joanne Sep 17th, 2001 01:57 PM

Jode, thanks for taking the time to give all those details. How incredible that someone could not realize that they shouldn't leave a bag unattended! And how awful that Logan security is still poor! Yikes!

Me Sep 18th, 2001 05:23 AM

Just topping - would like to hear more stories.

Suzy Sep 18th, 2001 06:50 AM

My husband and I were stranded in Boston last week. Logan didn't open until Sat. morning. Even though I called in the morning about our flight, by the time we got to the airport it had been cancelled. For lack of crew, I'm told. There was a long line but fortunately we had gotten there early and in time for an earlier flight to Detroit that did leave as planned. Security was tight but we made sure that we didn't have anything in our bags that might provoke an inspection. They checked the bags by scanner with two people operating the machine. They checked our drivers licenses twice, once when we checked in at the counter and again going through security. The flight took off without incident and was fairly full. My husband ordered a beer and they gave it to him for free. <BR>When the plane landed, everyone cheered. <BR>I was a bit uncomfortable having to fly but I was also very relieved to get home. <BR>I applaud the increased security efforts and have much sympathy for the airlines and their staff who are losing so much thorugh no fault of their own. I heard US Air laid off thousands.

RS Sep 18th, 2001 06:55 AM

So what if the airlines are using plastic silverware and takes away tweeezers and shavers!

xx Sep 18th, 2001 09:32 AM

Glad to hear that security has been tightened up. 14 years ago I flew out of Newark Airport to London. Because I was pregnant at the time I asked to be hand searched rather than walk through the metal detector. At Newark what they called a search was nothing compared to what they did at Gatwick in the UK. I guess we've had to learn the very hard way!

Pat Sep 18th, 2001 09:45 AM

Can I ask anyone that had a connecting flight on domestic travel what the delays are? Flying next week from O'Hare to Atlanta, then on from there and I only have a one hour layover. Is that enough time?

Dallas, Texas Sep 18th, 2001 11:07 AM

I don't think this is too far off the subject. Did anyone see the airline representative that spoke about the lax security in Phoenix? When asked why the security was so lax, she stated that people need to cooperate by turning in their files, clippers, etc. without being asked. Dud! The people who are willing to turn in those items are the people we don't need to worry about!!!

al Sep 18th, 2001 12:41 PM

A friend flew to Atlanta yesterday at noon through Newark on Continental. I spoke to her today and asked if any special precautions had been taken. She said that no one searched her bag and that the only thing different was a sign that said to the effect "No knives beyond this point". <BR> <BR>I, for one, find this disturbing.

chelo Sep 18th, 2001 02:44 PM

a houseguest, scheduled to fly to Moscow on 9/11 from Orlando via JFK, finally made it out on Saturday. Orlando was busy (1-2 hours to check in) but orderly, as was JFK, so she said. They tabbed luggage to check on a random basis, and our guest did not have hers opened, even though she was checking luggage to jfk and then on to Helsinki and Moscow. Nothing said about razors, etc. She had a decorative knife in the checked luggage - nothing said about that. <BR>Lots of sniffing dogs, but not too much overtly unusual except for the lines. <BR>Delta was very efficient, as they have been each time I've flown them and had a crisis situation. <BR>An observation: Last year, I was putting my carryon through the x-ray when I remembered the 8 steak knives I had packed. Oops, they'll confiscate them, thought I. Not only did they not confiscate, they didn't even ask. This was at Newark - one of the departure points Tuesday. Rather than closing parking garages and prohibiting non-passengers at the gates, maybe they should concentrate on the REAL problem - how very easy it is to have unauthorized access to planes and how very easy it is/was to bring "weapons" on board. Hire people to monitor the security points who are willing to use more than half their brains. Guess it's just easier and cheaper to close the parking garage than actually recruit, train, and pay decent wages to the security guards, though....

Celeste Sep 18th, 2001 03:10 PM

I flew from Orlando (home) to Providence, RI on Southwest on 9/16. Check-in time took all of 12 MINUTES from stepping on line to leaving the counter, and the flight was excellent. <BR> <BR>I was disturbed, however, to see that almost nothing has changed at Orlando security-wise. No checked baggage was searched, just the same old questions, and no carry-on luggage was searched either. I had no problem with my nail clippers and tweezers in carry-on. <BR> <BR>Non-ticketed passengers were not allowed to go to the gates but that was the only change I saw. Same thing in Rhode Island. <BR> <BR>Interestingly enough, Orlando Police escorted away a customer waiting for my plane, but I don't know why.

Non Sep 18th, 2001 03:10 PM

My sons and I were in Hawaii, stranded 5 extra days. Their Hawaiian Air departure included high security, but then they served metal knives with the meal to Seattle! All the passengers were horrified. My United flight Sunday had bored, chatting security personnel standing around. We need to NOT ever again get complacent, especially this soon. I won't fly again for as long as I possibly can.

Cheryl Z. Sep 18th, 2001 04:17 PM

Glad you all are taking the time to write of your experiences. I never would have thought about my little tweezers, nail clippers or teeny scissors that are always in my bag. <BR>I used to crochet a lot while flying - I wonder if crochet hooks or knitting needles will now be banned. <BR>And Rick, your experience with the flight attendants crying made me burst into tears. My heart goes out to all of them as well as for everyone who has to get on an airplane for work. <BR>

DeeInLB Sep 18th, 2001 09:24 PM

My sister and I were supposed to fly at 1 p.m. on Sept. 11 from Manchester, NH, back home to Los Angeles. We finally got home last night. It took me two days to get through to United by phone, and I got us on a flight for Saturday. Friday morning my dad called my cousin's house, where we fortunate to be staying, and said United's web site showed our Saturday flight had been canceled. Called United again and got a flight for Monday (yesterday) from Manchester to LAX, through Chicago. However, the reservation agent told me that the Sunday night flight into Manchester had been canceled, so there probably wouldn't be a plane in Manchester for the Monday flight. So, we instead got on a flight Monday from Boston to LAX. The reservation agent recommended checking in 3 hours before the flight, so we got to the counter at Logan at 10 for our 1 p.m. flight. There were about 15 people in line in front of us, and every check-in window was open, so the line moved very quickly. The sobering thing was seeing the condolence bouquets behind the United counter. There were guards in the terminal in bulletproof vests and carrying automatic weapons. Not a lot of them, but their presence certainly was felt. We were told that if we wanted to get food before the flight, we needed to get it before we went through the security check, because all the concessions were closed beyond it. The security check was slightly more thorough. I had a sweatshirt tied around my waist and they asked me to take it off and run it through the machine. And my sister's carry-on bag was pulled aside for a random check. We had heard about the security folks cracking down on tweezers and nail clippers so we had put those things in our checked baggage and it was no problem. Really, why would anyone need those things on the flight. It's not worth it to cause problems at this point. When the plane landed at LAX, everyone applauded. I felt relieved, although I thought the applause was odd. LAX has basically banned parking anywhere near the airport, so you have to take a shuttle bus to get to where cars are parked or to find the people who have come to meet you. The newspaper said today they plan to keep that security in place, so be forewarned if you're headed there! I think it's too bad the airlines and related industries are suffering so terribly because of the work of a group of madmen. We need to stay strong and not give in!


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