Family gets tossed off plane when child throws a temper tantrum.
Jan 25th, 2007, 08:34 PM
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Hey LucieV... I believe that certain adults would benefit from a good spanking! Instead, they just get a set of plastic handcuffs and a handoff to the authorities at the gate. Where is the justice!?!?!?
Jan 26th, 2007, 06:47 AM
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I have decided to only fly airtran from now on
15 minutes to calm down a spoilt child and the clueless parents - if the FA hadn't said something, someone should have. It has gotten well beyond acceptable with these spoilt kids and their lazy parents. My son cuts hair and was reprimanded with a cut in hours for removing a child away from a burning hot curling iron - the mother took exception to his touching her child - and the child was 8 or 9. His policy now is to ignore them running up and down the shop, jumping out of the seat when they have sharp scissors near their heads, and ignoring when they play with the toxic chemicals. He is 25 and amazed at what they get away with - he would have definitely gotten "the look" and is a better person for it.
15 minutes to calm down a spoilt child and the clueless parents - if the FA hadn't said something, someone should have. It has gotten well beyond acceptable with these spoilt kids and their lazy parents. My son cuts hair and was reprimanded with a cut in hours for removing a child away from a burning hot curling iron - the mother took exception to his touching her child - and the child was 8 or 9. His policy now is to ignore them running up and down the shop, jumping out of the seat when they have sharp scissors near their heads, and ignoring when they play with the toxic chemicals. He is 25 and amazed at what they get away with - he would have definitely gotten "the look" and is a better person for it.
Jan 26th, 2007, 10:14 AM
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j9 - I think you are right.
And I think the older you get, the more perfect you believe your children to have been.
I sometimes think that on fodors, I have the only two kids who are not always perfectly behaved.
And I think the older you get, the more perfect you believe your children to have been.
I sometimes think that on fodors, I have the only two kids who are not always perfectly behaved.
Jan 26th, 2007, 10:53 AM
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Jan 26th, 2007, 11:01 AM
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[excerpt from article, regarding a cross-country family drive with 4 kids and a back-injured father crammed into a station wagon]
quot;None of the family recalled complaining of any kind."
Ah, the blessing of selective memory combined with legalese to support anecdotal evidence.
quot;None of the family recalled complaining of any kind."Ah, the blessing of selective memory combined with legalese to support anecdotal evidence.
Jan 26th, 2007, 12:24 PM
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Age hasn't given me selective memory. Kids will always see how far they can go - I did, my kids did too. They were far from perfectly behaved, in fact my youngest was a hellion and still is. But he knows how to act in public. There were many times coming home from work tired that it would have been easier to just "read" and pretend that I didn't notice the bad behavoir or to just let others out in public suffer because of my laziness. But someone has to drive the bus, and it should not be a three year old. "Passive" should not be a word used for parents. When my kids threw one of their many fits, they were taken out. And this is not selective memory, but fact: They did not run up and down in planes, or in restaurants, or abuse strangers around them. They had company manners - something old fashioned that should come back in style. It is hard enough out there since 9/11 to travel with all the delays and inconveniences - kids should not add to the turmoil.
Jan 26th, 2007, 11:06 PM
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Ccolor, that kid needed some serious attention and discipline! Ignoring kids does not always work.
Donna, when we were kids, all we needed was a look from my mom and a tight hand on a wrist. My brother and I knew to sit down, shut up and behave! This was also in the era where a good spanking was considered acceptable. I see my friend with her son and the "naughty" chair method. It works as well as giving an alcoholic a pint of gin. I still believe that the rare palm to tooshie does a world of good for kids (and some adults!) who misbehave.
Go Airtran!
Donna, when we were kids, all we needed was a look from my mom and a tight hand on a wrist. My brother and I knew to sit down, shut up and behave! This was also in the era where a good spanking was considered acceptable. I see my friend with her son and the "naughty" chair method. It works as well as giving an alcoholic a pint of gin. I still believe that the rare palm to tooshie does a world of good for kids (and some adults!) who misbehave.
Go Airtran!
Jan 28th, 2007, 05:42 PM
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Wow - I can't help but post. I hadn't heard of the story at all, haven't seen any of the coverage just came across it cruising Fodors Sunday night. So I haven't seen much. But I have a few comments about travelling with kids.
I have had my over 2 child sit in my lap during take off, when she started to get scared and freaked out to be in her own seat. She is such a little shrimp I am sure she is smaller than some 2 year olds. And I figured that it was better to have her my lap than getting freaked out in the seat and constantly undoing her seat belt. FA's have given me a lap belt - which is used for kids 2 and under. Now that she is 3.5 she happily sits in her seat and it isn't an issue.
Now clearly crawling under the seat etc isn't going to work.
Sometimes it seems like the "regulations" are brought out more now that I travel with kids. Once I was told I couldn't go in the bathroom with my 2 kids (one baby who could not be left alone in the seat and one toddler who needed help) because there were only 2 oxygyn masks and I had to leave one with the flight attendant. I had never heard that one before.
Once I did a very quick change of a very slightly soggy diaper of a very tiny baby without going back to the bathroom (I wouldn never change a stinky diaper in the cabin - and let me tell you it takes some doing to change diapers in an airplane bathroom). And I couldn't believe how fast the FA's were there to tell me that was "not allowed". I hadn't seen them the rest of the flight.
I am a well prepared and saavy parent traveller and my kids are very well behaved on the plane. But sometimes crying happens. Now this situation may have been well beyond that. Whatever... but I have to say I am really sad about the hostility toward people travelling with kids in general. Many airlines have cut pre-boarding for families (unless you have status), bring your own food, if you really want a safe place for your kid bring a car seat, but don't expect it to fit on many seats. You have to work hard to insist all seats are together (I have booked way in advance to have seating re-arranged at last minute and had to insist they find 3 seats for me so I could sit with my kids).
20-50 years ago, people were less likely to have families spread far and wide, people had kids when they were 20 and were less likely to be in a travelling phase, and travelling was much less common. I am sure a lot of people who say their kids would never have acted this way, never had a toddler on an airplane.
Whatever the facts were in this situation, I just hope that we don't let it fan hostility toward families travelling with kids.
I have had my over 2 child sit in my lap during take off, when she started to get scared and freaked out to be in her own seat. She is such a little shrimp I am sure she is smaller than some 2 year olds. And I figured that it was better to have her my lap than getting freaked out in the seat and constantly undoing her seat belt. FA's have given me a lap belt - which is used for kids 2 and under. Now that she is 3.5 she happily sits in her seat and it isn't an issue.
Now clearly crawling under the seat etc isn't going to work.
Sometimes it seems like the "regulations" are brought out more now that I travel with kids. Once I was told I couldn't go in the bathroom with my 2 kids (one baby who could not be left alone in the seat and one toddler who needed help) because there were only 2 oxygyn masks and I had to leave one with the flight attendant. I had never heard that one before.
Once I did a very quick change of a very slightly soggy diaper of a very tiny baby without going back to the bathroom (I wouldn never change a stinky diaper in the cabin - and let me tell you it takes some doing to change diapers in an airplane bathroom). And I couldn't believe how fast the FA's were there to tell me that was "not allowed". I hadn't seen them the rest of the flight.
I am a well prepared and saavy parent traveller and my kids are very well behaved on the plane. But sometimes crying happens. Now this situation may have been well beyond that. Whatever... but I have to say I am really sad about the hostility toward people travelling with kids in general. Many airlines have cut pre-boarding for families (unless you have status), bring your own food, if you really want a safe place for your kid bring a car seat, but don't expect it to fit on many seats. You have to work hard to insist all seats are together (I have booked way in advance to have seating re-arranged at last minute and had to insist they find 3 seats for me so I could sit with my kids).
20-50 years ago, people were less likely to have families spread far and wide, people had kids when they were 20 and were less likely to be in a travelling phase, and travelling was much less common. I am sure a lot of people who say their kids would never have acted this way, never had a toddler on an airplane.
Whatever the facts were in this situation, I just hope that we don't let it fan hostility toward families travelling with kids.
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Mar 11th, 2007, 10:51 AM
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As a flight attendant, I think the situation must have been very bad. (in basic language)
I know that if a child is completely beyond exhausted, it is not fair for the parents to take him/her anywhere other than to bed.
As for that particular situation, I don't work for that co, and my co would encourage the care and concern of all the people involved. Usually, taking a few extra minutes to calm a child is ok, by me.
If it was a normal tantrum, the parents should be able to give 'the look'. Unless they work 80 hrs a week to put food on the table, and the child never sees 'the look' let alone, any look.
Each individual situation is handled as they come. Who knows what was right, only the crew, the parents, and the rest of the passengers onboard that day.
I know that if a child is completely beyond exhausted, it is not fair for the parents to take him/her anywhere other than to bed.
As for that particular situation, I don't work for that co, and my co would encourage the care and concern of all the people involved. Usually, taking a few extra minutes to calm a child is ok, by me.
If it was a normal tantrum, the parents should be able to give 'the look'. Unless they work 80 hrs a week to put food on the table, and the child never sees 'the look' let alone, any look.
Each individual situation is handled as they come. Who knows what was right, only the crew, the parents, and the rest of the passengers onboard that day.
