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Fleurentine Nov 21st, 2004 09:43 AM

Department Stores
 
Hi!

I, a dutch student, am writing an essay about high-end/upscale department stores.
After a bit of research, I discovered 6 department stores (Barney's, Bergdorf Goodman, Bloomingdale's, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrom, Saks Fifth Avenue)
Did I forget some important high-end department stores? If so.. Please let me know!
Thanks in advance!

(later on next year.. i'm going to visit NY. I want to enjoy shopping paradise NYC by myself!! Instead of looking on the internet!)

TxTravelPro Nov 21st, 2004 10:21 AM

Lord and Taylor?

TxTravelPro Nov 21st, 2004 10:22 AM

Macy's?

GoTravel Nov 21st, 2004 10:23 AM

I thought I replied to this but I guess it didn't go through.

Takashimaya and Harrods were left off your list.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, I think Jeffrey's bills itself as a department store.

A truly unique department store is Pearl River in SoHo and Fast Buck Freddie's in Key West.

TxTravelPro Nov 21st, 2004 10:23 AM

Is Marshall Fields still around?

TxTravelPro Nov 21st, 2004 10:29 AM

If you get up to Montreal, visit Holt Renfrew.

nytraveler Nov 21st, 2004 11:07 AM

Neither Macy's nor Lord & Taylor are high end stores - they are distinctly in the moderate range. The ones you have selected are fine.

here_today_gone2Maui Nov 21st, 2004 11:12 AM

American only? What about Printemps and Galleries Lafayette?

Anonymous Nov 21st, 2004 12:27 PM

Macy's and Pearl River are certainly not high-end. I would agree that Lord& Taylor is more middle-level, also Marshall Field.

IMHO so is Nordstrom's. They have great service but are not particularly upscale. Also, Nordtrom's does not have a department store in NYC, just a boutique at Rockfeller Center; you'd have to head out to the suburbs to find a regular Nordstrom's store. Unlike the other stores in the original post, Nordstrom's did not originate in NYC and is still working its way into the Eastern states.

TripleSecDelay Nov 21st, 2004 01:24 PM



Gump's.

Lex1 Nov 21st, 2004 01:54 PM

Bon Marche, 22 Rue de Sevres (7e), is likely the best (upscale) department store in Paris. Au Printemps has goods in all price levels and is best noted for its domed restaurant. Galeries Lafayette also crosses the spectrum in its clothing lines. All are a long ways from New York City, even before the demise of the Concorde.

Orcas Nov 21st, 2004 02:06 PM

Believe it or not - Marshall Fields is now owned by Target. :-(

GoTravel Nov 21st, 2004 02:11 PM

Anonymous, I said Pearl River was unique not high end.

cfntmpn Nov 21st, 2004 04:22 PM

Actually, I believe that Target sold Fields back in May, 2004 to May Stores - NOT high-end retail.

TripleSecDelay Nov 21st, 2004 05:06 PM

Orcas : Are you in WA state?
Even if Target owned M-F, they would likely learn from M-F and not downgrade the M-F chain.

Ford owns Volvo, Jaguar, Land Rover...we don't see those brands weakening.

Philip Morris owns food brands, but doesn't inject nicotine into the foods.

uhoh_busted Nov 21st, 2004 06:18 PM

I remember strolling through Bergdorf Goodman one afternoon when they were having a huge sale. There was a beautiful off-white silk blouse on sale for only $650. High-end, beautiful, tasteful, and way out of my range. sigh. )

Scarlett Nov 21st, 2004 06:33 PM

In NYC, high end shopping would have to begin at Barneys, Takishimaya, Bergdorfs, Henri Bendels then on to Saks Fifth Ave.
While at Takishimaya, have tea..bliss~

Ahhh, Hold Renfrew, Montreal, ((L))

Orcas Nov 21st, 2004 08:26 PM

TripleSecDelay, I used to live in Chicago and I remember the days when a visit to Marshall Fields was quite the adventure! I particularly remember the exotic fabrics they used to carry - silks and wools from all over the world. Honestly, I don't think I've seen fabrics like Field used to carry in years.

Fields changed a long time ago, probably before Target acquired it. I must admit that I enjoy shopping at Target. Target/Marshall Fields still jars my brain, though. I've never heard of Mays, but I've probably been in some store owned by them.

As for Volvo, well, we own a Ford now. Sigh. Let's hope the brand doesn't weaken, but I wouldn't place any bets on that one. And Saab is now GM? The verdict is out, but all these corporate buy-outs open possibilities for less true competition, IMHO.

sundowner Nov 22nd, 2004 06:08 AM

Orcas - I thought Mays was Target/Marshall Field's/Mervyns so I looked it up. I was wrong. Those 3 were affiliated but not owned by Mays. May's did buy Marshall Fields and some Mervyns buildings in June2004. May's owns a few stores -

The May Department Stores Company currently operates 438 department stores under the names of Lord & Taylor, Famous-Barr, Filene's, Foley's, Hecht's, Kaufmann's, L.S. Ayres, Meier & Frank, Robinsons-May, Strawbridge's, and The Jones Store, as well as 217 David's Bridal stores, 456 After Hours Formalwear stores, and 10 Priscilla of Boston stores in its Bridal Group. May operates in 46 states, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico.

KE1TH Nov 22nd, 2004 06:39 AM

How many of you are aware that Saks Fifth Avenue is owned by an Alabama company? And all the Rich's are being changed to Macy's. I still remember shopping at the big downtown Davisons in Atlanta.

GoTravel Nov 22nd, 2004 06:57 AM

I remember when downtown Atlanta still had a Macy's. Heck, I remember when downtown Columbia, SC had a Macy's.

Ryan Nov 22nd, 2004 07:07 AM

The 6 names you mentioned would be correct if you were listing chains usually thought of in the luxury department store group.

However, Neiman-Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman are really one in the same as Bergdorf is simply the New York location for Neiman Marcus.

If you are talking about high end/upscale stores, your list might be incomplete if you didn't at least recognize some specialty stores that certainly cater to the luxury market. Most notable among these would be Tiffany's, Ferragamo, Prada, St. John's, etc. At the end of the day, most department stores are simply a collection of large specialty stores/shops. They most certainly compete with a Ferragamo owned store, even if they stock their products.

I've spent about a dozen years working with large retailers. Should you have any questions about how these stores function, relative to the rest of retail, please feel free to ask. Good luck.


swalter518 Nov 22nd, 2004 08:07 AM

As a Chicagoan I'm biased but I think Fields State Street is the best department stor around. I've been to pretty much every other listed and with the recent improvements to Fields, it tops them all. I was highly disappointed in Macys (reminds me of Carson Pirie Scott here) and Bloomingdales.

michelleNYC Nov 22nd, 2004 10:10 AM

For NYC high-end, yes, include Henri Bendel, Barneys, Jeffrey's sort of, Saks, Bergdorf, Takashimaya, Bloomingdales sort of and exclude Macy's and Lord & Taylor.

mclaurie Nov 22nd, 2004 10:57 AM

I find this thread when I choose New York. If the OP is just looking for NYC stores, many that have been mentioned are NOT in NYC including the OP's Nordstrom and Neiman Marcus which are not in New York City but are in suburbs of New York (New Jersey & Westchester). The top dept stores in NYC are

Barney's
Bergdorf Goodman
Saks Fifth Ave.
Bloomingdales

2nd tier
Lord & Taylor
Macy's

Specialty dept stores

Henri Bendel (no men's things)
Takashimaya


E Nov 22nd, 2004 11:47 AM

I agree that the OP was asking about NYC dept. stores, and so doesn't care about this, but I feel compelled to offer a quick clarification:

Marshall Field's, which used to be called Dayton's or Dayton-Hudson, started Target. When Target began outperforming its parent, the corporation changed its name to Target Corp., but continued to own Marshall Field's until last spring, when it sold the mid-range dept. store to the May Co.

Good luck, Fleurentine, and enjoy NYC when you get there!

GoTravel Nov 22nd, 2004 11:48 AM

Target is one of my favorite department stores.

Did we ever clarify whether Jeffries is or isn't considered a department store?

antlori Nov 22nd, 2004 03:10 PM

When I was in Milwaukee in September I shopped at a department store called the Boston Store. Anyone know who owns them? I've also seen lots of Hudson's stores in my travels. Are they part of the May group of stores? I heard that Target had bought Mervyn's. Department stores seem to change hands so many times now it's hard to keep track of them.

LoveItaly Nov 22nd, 2004 03:53 PM

Actually Target was suppose to have sold Mervyns stores. At least that is what I was told by the Assistant Mgr of Mervyns a couple of months ago.

jlm_mi Nov 22nd, 2004 05:41 PM

Hudson's, Dayton's & Marshall Field's were all the same chain of stores just operating under different names in various parts of the country. A year or so ago the parent company decided to make them all carry the Marshall Field's name, so Dayton's and Hudson's no longer exist by those names.

Indeed, the company which owned Marshall Field's did also own Target and Mervyn's. I have no knowledge one way or the other on whether Mervyn's has been sold, but do know that Marshall Field's was, as stated previously.

CAPH52 Nov 22nd, 2004 07:23 PM

Didn't Dayton-Hudson actually own Target and Fields? And do they still own Target?

cigalechanta Nov 22nd, 2004 07:36 PM

Your list is fine but include Henri Bendel.

cigalechanta Nov 22nd, 2004 07:38 PM

Sorry, You did include it. I have too much shopping on my mind after being in Barney's.

Cali Nov 22nd, 2004 09:04 PM

Dayton's which was a Mpls. based Dept. Store (from the early 1900's) started Target Corp. in the 60's and then bought out Hudson's which was a Detroit base Dept. store (they were very similar to each other) in the 60's or 70's and changed their corporate name to Dayton- Hudson Corp. They acquired Marshall Fields (also a similar type of store to them but based in Chicago) sometime after that and they all were under the Corp. Company of Dayton-Hudson Corp until a couple years ago when they changed the corporate name to Target Corp. (which was much more identifiable throughout the country). They also owned Mervyns's and ran that as another division different from the Dept. stores and different from Target. They did sell the Dept Store division (which has been called Marshall Fields at all stores for the past few years) this past spring. They also sold the Mervyn's chain and some of the Mervyn's have sold, however the ones out here in S. CA are still open. I used to live in the Midwest and loved Dayton's, Hudson's and Marshall Field's and wish we had one out here. Of course we used to have Bullock's, Bullock's Wilshire, I Magnin, Robinson's (now part of Robinson's _may but not as classy in my honest opinion). I miss the old stores.

bugswife1 Nov 23rd, 2004 11:22 AM

Interesting to some-my office is in the old Wannamakers Department Store in NYC. The 100 year old columns and original staircase are still here, as are the small elevators. The building takes up the entire block at 770 Broadway.

antlori Nov 23rd, 2004 01:39 PM

How cool, bugswife! What happened to the Gimbel's building? Is it still there are they using it for offices too?

LoveItaly Nov 23rd, 2004 04:57 PM

And oh how I miss the I Magnin store at Union Square in San Francisco!!!

johnthedorf Nov 24th, 2004 05:59 PM

Fleurentine,
Nordstrom is a Specialty store which owns the Faconnable Boutiques in many North American, European and South American countries. The emphasis they have is in quality merchandise with quality service. They carry designer Pret a Porter such as Armani, jewelry by Kwait, Mens suits by Zegna, shoes from Feragamo etc.
Remember that Department stores carry durable goods so when you write your Essay you must remember that. For example; Macy*s sells tires, Sears sells Washers and Dryers in addition to soft ware. Drop in on the Fashion Institute of Technology (227 W. 27th St.) and explain to them what your project is and I'm sure they will give you some direction. If you write to Nordstrom (no 's) they will also be helpful. You can do that online possibly at Nordstrom.com or by snail mail 500 Pine Street, Seattle, Washington 98101-1742. I can also help you. Good luck.


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