Bet she takes the batteries out next time!
Jul 30th, 2002, 11:19 AM
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xxxx, you seem overly concerned about this issue. Is that because your mom or wife regularly travel with pocket rockets? Tell them not to.
And does anyone believe they searched the woman's bag intentionally to humilate her? How about they were just doing their jobs, heard a noise and justifiably investigated. Now the laughing, well I guess they just couldn't help it. I don't know if I could've kept a straight face either.
Bottom line, keep your "toys" at home.
And does anyone believe they searched the woman's bag intentionally to humilate her? How about they were just doing their jobs, heard a noise and justifiably investigated. Now the laughing, well I guess they just couldn't help it. I don't know if I could've kept a straight face either.
Bottom line, keep your "toys" at home.
Jul 30th, 2002, 11:49 AM
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Apparently they yelled sexually harassing comments at her. Doubt that was from relief more about being in some hick state. Delta airlines? Did this take place in some back woods airport?
I care about what I am subjected to. Of course you have to be expect to be searched but that is not what is at issue here. Woman's attorney mentioned she is not complaining about being searched. She is complaining about obnoxious comments that were made from a distance, raucous laughter and that she was not told to expose article in privacey. Doubt she will win on the privacy item but comments and laughter that will mean big bucks from delta. I don't think anyone expects to throw professionalism to the wind because they have an article they probably should have left at home.
Someone left an article link above this story is more than it sounds. I hope this woman does win.
I care about what I am subjected to. Of course you have to be expect to be searched but that is not what is at issue here. Woman's attorney mentioned she is not complaining about being searched. She is complaining about obnoxious comments that were made from a distance, raucous laughter and that she was not told to expose article in privacey. Doubt she will win on the privacy item but comments and laughter that will mean big bucks from delta. I don't think anyone expects to throw professionalism to the wind because they have an article they probably should have left at home.
Someone left an article link above this story is more than it sounds. I hope this woman does win.
Jul 30th, 2002, 11:57 AM
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We all know how juvenile men can be when it comes to sex!
A SEX TOY how hilarious!
I feel for her, though I know will not travel with battery powered anything.
A relative had one of those battery powered coin counters in luggage...yep went on....plane was delayed while they tried to figure put which suitcase it was and who it belonged to.
This was pre 9/11.
Jul 30th, 2002, 12:03 PM
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It's possible that the conduct of the Delta employees was improper - there's not enough information in the article to tell one way or the other. Beyond that, nothing seems out of the ordinary here. What is the point of a lawsuit? If having her vibrator held up in front of a bunch of strangers, under the specific circumstances involved, upset this woman enough for her to incur major therapy bills, then my guess is that she already had some serious problems before this happened. I'm sure she felt embarassed and angry at the time, but this really does have easy money written all over it. I'll save my sympathy for people who really are victims of "gender discrimination", thanks.
Jul 30th, 2002, 12:34 PM
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xxxx, I'm not sure what traveling a lot has to do with taking this too seriously. My husband flies 2-4 times per week and thought this was hilarious. He also is searched constantly, as a male traveling alone, almost never with luggage. He takes it all in stride in the interest of safety, even when he's had to remove enough clothing to make him look like a loser in strip poker.
I had a very masculine looking security woman start feeling around my bra (underwire, damn it), I suppose I should have cried sexual harassment, I bet I would have found a lawyer to take my case.
I had a very masculine looking security woman start feeling around my bra (underwire, damn it), I suppose I should have cried sexual harassment, I bet I would have found a lawyer to take my case.
Jul 30th, 2002, 01:28 PM
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one of my earliest jobs as a comedy writer was working for a famous comedien who was also married to a very famous celebrity. now i'm not only talkin' married; i'm talkin' ridiculously happily married for years and years and they remained so until he died. they were getting ready to take a well-deserved, long-extended trip. we had just finished taping a full season of shows and everything was canned and ready to go including the couple. suddenly, i looked into his private office which was right next to mine and i noticed a yellow pad with notations on it. at first i couldn't decipher what was written. suddenly, i could make out the following: "vibe, rubbers, ky". therefore, 30 years later, may i please point out that i learned at a really early age that the secret to happy marriage may just be the guy taking the responsibility for the vibrator, the protection and the lubrication. so. if i'm ever discovered with a phallic vibrating object i will feign pride, stand erect, hold it up high and utter "give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free." then, i'd sue the bastards.
Jul 30th, 2002, 02:15 PM
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xxx, well, not knowing exactly what the "obnoxious and sexually harassing" comments were, I'll reserve judgement. I've heard of people filing sexual harassment charges against male coworkers for telling them they looked pretty that day.
I have to say that it was very stupid of her to pack the thing anyway (what is she, dependent on it?). And even more stupid to literally make a federal case out of it. Maybe she was humiliated by the security people but look at how much more she is humilated by bringing suit and letting the whole world know about the incident.
To tell you the truth she should receive damages from Delta. I agree that what they did was wrong, but it's STILL funny!
I have to say that it was very stupid of her to pack the thing anyway (what is she, dependent on it?). And even more stupid to literally make a federal case out of it. Maybe she was humiliated by the security people but look at how much more she is humilated by bringing suit and letting the whole world know about the incident.
To tell you the truth she should receive damages from Delta. I agree that what they did was wrong, but it's STILL funny!
Jul 30th, 2002, 02:49 PM
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"I agree that what they did was wrong, but it's STILL funny!"
And that was the point of posting this, I'm sure, Nina. Those of us who read it laughed at the image of it all, and thought those who hadn't heard would enjoy a bit of levity as well. Most did. We weren't looking for.."she's right", "no they're right". That wasn't the point.
With the publicity she has now, thanks to her suit, I'd move out of town and change my name!! This all happened in February, but not a word of it got out until the suit. Can Delta be blamed for the apparent national humiliation she now faces (and her husband, I would think as well--my husband's buddies would most likely be elbowing him and snickering had it been me in her situation!!! yikes) How much better would it have been had they swallowed their intial embarrassment and let this go, rather than thinking they'd teach someone a lesson and maybe just maybe get a few bucks to boot.
That's neither here nor there though. It was a funny mental image, and one I thought of sharing too after reading it in the paper this weekend...but then wasn't quite sure how to bring it up nicely..
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And that was the point of posting this, I'm sure, Nina. Those of us who read it laughed at the image of it all, and thought those who hadn't heard would enjoy a bit of levity as well. Most did. We weren't looking for.."she's right", "no they're right". That wasn't the point.
With the publicity she has now, thanks to her suit, I'd move out of town and change my name!! This all happened in February, but not a word of it got out until the suit. Can Delta be blamed for the apparent national humiliation she now faces (and her husband, I would think as well--my husband's buddies would most likely be elbowing him and snickering had it been me in her situation!!! yikes) How much better would it have been had they swallowed their intial embarrassment and let this go, rather than thinking they'd teach someone a lesson and maybe just maybe get a few bucks to boot.
That's neither here nor there though. It was a funny mental image, and one I thought of sharing too after reading it in the paper this weekend...but then wasn't quite sure how to bring it up nicely..
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Jul 30th, 2002, 03:47 PM
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This reminded me of something I saw with my own eyes at Nashville Int'l Airport a couple of years ago. The guard asked the woman in line in front of me if he could open her carry-on because something looked suspicious on the X-ray. The traveller was a very professional-looking, well-dressed, well-groomed woman in her 30s.
So they proceeded to open her bag. Of course everybody in line was looking because they wanted to see what the hold up was. The guard reached into the bag and pulled out a total S&M kit with nipple clamps, handcuffs, whip, etc etc.
The woman looked like she wanted to die, but the guard handled it entirely professionally -- he looked through the rest of the bag, carefully put everything (including the kit) back in, zipped it up, and thanked her with a completely straight face. Either he was a real pro or he sees this kind of thing all the time.
I bet the woman puts such things in her checked bags now. (And no, this is not a "friend of a friend" urban legend -- I saw it with my very own eyes, terminal C security checkpoint, BNA).
So they proceeded to open her bag. Of course everybody in line was looking because they wanted to see what the hold up was. The guard reached into the bag and pulled out a total S&M kit with nipple clamps, handcuffs, whip, etc etc.
The woman looked like she wanted to die, but the guard handled it entirely professionally -- he looked through the rest of the bag, carefully put everything (including the kit) back in, zipped it up, and thanked her with a completely straight face. Either he was a real pro or he sees this kind of thing all the time.
I bet the woman puts such things in her checked bags now. (And no, this is not a "friend of a friend" urban legend -- I saw it with my very own eyes, terminal C security checkpoint, BNA).
Jul 30th, 2002, 03:51 PM
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As OO surmised, my intent in posting this was to add a bit of levity. Though I guess I shouldn't be, I'm surprised that there are those amongst us who think the woman's entitled to damages. Why? How was she damaged beyond what a little sensible thought (on her part) wouldn't have prevented?
And you wonder why we have high air fares! (and doctor bills, etc.) Well the airlines aren't making any money! Seems to me the only ones making money here are the attorneys. And at whose expense?
If we all can't lighten up a little, we're not gonna like this place very much.
And you wonder why we have high air fares! (and doctor bills, etc.) Well the airlines aren't making any money! Seems to me the only ones making money here are the attorneys. And at whose expense?
If we all can't lighten up a little, we're not gonna like this place very much.
Jul 31st, 2002, 05:12 AM
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If (and that's a big IF), the employees truly held up the vibrator, pointed, laughed, made obnoxious comments and in fact humiliated her, that was wrong and Delta should make ammends (in the US they do that by paying damages).
Now, if they only made her hold up the item to see that it wasn't a bomb, and then let out a few snickers, then I think that's the expected reaction and she should just deal with it. She was the one who decided to bring it with her and should know that it might be discovered.
I quess the truth may only come out at trial. If it were me, I would have slunk away and never mentioned the incident to another person. She's clearly looking for a payoff.
Now, if they only made her hold up the item to see that it wasn't a bomb, and then let out a few snickers, then I think that's the expected reaction and she should just deal with it. She was the one who decided to bring it with her and should know that it might be discovered.
I quess the truth may only come out at trial. If it were me, I would have slunk away and never mentioned the incident to another person. She's clearly looking for a payoff.
Jul 31st, 2002, 05:44 AM
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I want to post this story on this board, taken from CNN, so that when CNN stops posting this story on their website, it's still here....
Woman sues Delta over sex toy incident
July 26, 2002 Posted: 3:35 PM EDT (1935 GMT)
CLEARWATER, Florida (AP) -- A woman who says she was pulled off an airplane and asked to take a sex toy out of her luggage after it started vibrating is suing Delta Air Lines, saying she was publicly humiliated.
Renee Koutsouradis, 36, said she was with her husband awaiting takeoff from Dallas in February when her name was called over the loudspeaker.
She said she was met by a Delta security agent who told her something was vibrating in one of her bags. She said she explained it was an adult toy that she and her husband had just bought on a trip to Las Vegas.
She said the agent took her to the bag on the tarmac and made her remove the toy and hold it up, according to the lawsuit filed Wednesday. Some passengers on the plane saw everything, and three male Delta employees "began laughing hysterically" and made "obnoxious and sexually harassing comments."
Koutsouradis was allowed to repack and return to her seat.
A spokeswoman for Delta would not comment on the specifics of the lawsuit.
"We have an obligation to protect the safety and security of passengers," said spokeswoman Katie Connell. "If there's anything questionable about a bag, we have a responsibility to investigate."
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages, accusing Delta of negligence, intentional infliction of distress and gender discrimination.
Koutsouradis' lawyer, Brad Tobin, said Delta agents should have escorted her to a private area.
"She was pretty horrified by the treatment," he said. "She never contended that Delta doesn't have the right to investigate a security issue. It was their total lack of professionalism."
Woman sues Delta over sex toy incident
July 26, 2002 Posted: 3:35 PM EDT (1935 GMT)
CLEARWATER, Florida (AP) -- A woman who says she was pulled off an airplane and asked to take a sex toy out of her luggage after it started vibrating is suing Delta Air Lines, saying she was publicly humiliated.
Renee Koutsouradis, 36, said she was with her husband awaiting takeoff from Dallas in February when her name was called over the loudspeaker.
She said she was met by a Delta security agent who told her something was vibrating in one of her bags. She said she explained it was an adult toy that she and her husband had just bought on a trip to Las Vegas.
She said the agent took her to the bag on the tarmac and made her remove the toy and hold it up, according to the lawsuit filed Wednesday. Some passengers on the plane saw everything, and three male Delta employees "began laughing hysterically" and made "obnoxious and sexually harassing comments."
Koutsouradis was allowed to repack and return to her seat.
A spokeswoman for Delta would not comment on the specifics of the lawsuit.
"We have an obligation to protect the safety and security of passengers," said spokeswoman Katie Connell. "If there's anything questionable about a bag, we have a responsibility to investigate."
The lawsuit seeks unspecified damages, accusing Delta of negligence, intentional infliction of distress and gender discrimination.
Koutsouradis' lawyer, Brad Tobin, said Delta agents should have escorted her to a private area.
"She was pretty horrified by the treatment," he said. "She never contended that Delta doesn't have the right to investigate a security issue. It was their total lack of professionalism."
