<BR>maahhhhxipan-<BR><BR>so your point is?<BR><BR>more grousing about new yorkers?<BR>or about bad drivers? you aren't too clear who you are bitchin about here.

Please let this thread just die. It's pretty ridiculous.

Hi,<BR>I live in NJ.I also have to drive to NY every day.There is traffic most days.A lot of that traffic is from people that get into the EZPass lanes by mistake.I have sat in those lines waiting while cops stop traffic so some numbskull can drive out of the lane and over to where they belonged,with no ticketing for the inconvenience of all the other drivers who are able to read signs.<BR>I was in SC once.Got a ticket for speeding.That cop stood and screamed at me for 20 minutes,most of what he was screaming about was his opinion on Northerners and their fancy foreign cars.<BR>Cops are cops everywhere.<BR>I really do not think that this is a NY vs the World problem.<BR>It is more like some people cope better than others,these things happen all the time, just not everybody writes and tells about it on a travel site.<BR>

Mahxipan - <BR><BR>You might want to read more carefully before presuming that others need a dictionary to get through your post. (I'm not sure why you'd think "officious" is such an obscure and impressive word that it would warrant such a caveat, but that's another issue.)<BR><BR>In any event, you claim that she didn't have much of a problem with the ticket -when she actually said, very specifically, that BOTH the attitude AND the ticket were excessive, and that she would have preferred a warning. <BR><BR>Finally, while she complains about the cop's attitude, most of the specifics she gives are very benign. Asking someone for a license, registration and money for the toll isn't exactly inappropriate behavior for a cop. Neither is telling them to pull over, issuing a ticket and telling them to read the signs.

This isn't about New Yorkers, that is at least until New Yorker decided to let everyone know that New Yorkers had more important things on their minds (I assume they meant terrorists attacks, hence my reference to 9/11, if I'm wrong then I apologize, but I'm pretty sure that's what they meant).<BR><BR>This could happen anywhere with poor signage and lots of traffic, and does. Maybe Diane wrote because whe was TRAVELING and thought she might give the rest of the TRAVELERS a heads up about how easy it is to get a ticket while trying to navigate around the city.<BR><BR>And yes David the signs are huge, but if traffic is backed up half a mile, I don't care how huge they are, you still can't always see them in time. And you Carly must be a veritable Mario Andretti. You said you drive to NY every day. I should hope it's easy for you to navigate with that much practice. I'd love for you to drive in L.A., get in the wrong lane and have people start yelling at you like you're some kind of moron because you don't know the roads.

Well, what a surprise that driving around old, congested roadways into the nation's largest city could cause some confusion. I'm so glad that Diane warned the other TRAVELERS

WOW,<BR>another New Yorker, you have a lot of anger to manage don't you?<BR>1-I lived in LA-I know about traffic and how to drive.<BR>2-what does Mario Andretti have to do with commuting to work each day?<BR>3-if that was a reference to getting a ticket in SC.I was ticketed for going 40 in a 25 mile zone..not really Mario speed.<BR>4-you must have had one of these bad driving experiences to be so hot under the collar on this thread, I guess you are just "relating" to Dianes complaint.<BR>5-I understood the reference to 9/11 as how much more security,police presence,short tempered police,and generally nervous people are now than before, therefore, the police would not have as much patience now as they used to before 9/11-of course-that is just MHO.<BR>and one last thing-millions of people go through the same drive every day, we all manage and so should have Diane and you.

No Carly, apparently you do not get it, as you still insist that it's easy for you, and millions like you who drive it every day. But I now realize that I'm dealing with someone with limited brain capacity, so I can see there's no point in trying to make you understand...

Whoa,I think Carly@nj hit it right on the button.Mr AnotherNYer is one angry guy!<BR>Unable to make himself clear, he gets insulting instead.Obviously,driving doesn't come easy to him,and that just pisses him off!<BR>Chill, MrAnotherNewYorker!!<BR>

I think AnotherNewYorker is one of those guys that the office votes is<BR>"Most likely to carry a gun to work"

Well you all are a bunch of geniuses. First of all, I'm not a guy. Secondly, I am 100% opposed to guns. Thirdly, I've been driving for 20 years and have only gotten a ticket once, for doing 50 in a 35 mile sone on a country road. I'm an excellent driver. I just realize that some people, like my in-laws, mother and basically many people over 50, have a very difficult time navigating city traffic, tolls, bridges and tunnels, and unlike some of the completely uncompassionate people here, I have a empathy for them. <BR><BR>Maybe the cop should pull out of towners over and give them a warning, but to ticket someone who obviously is unfamilier with the local roadways is not a nice thing to do.

Absolutely. New York is probably better served by public transportation than any other city in the country. There is no reason for tourists like Diane to bring a car into the city. I lived in the city for 10 years without a car, and never missed it.

Cathy cathy cathy -- apparently you've visited the monkey house once too often. And what's all this I hear about endangered feces? I mean, who cares if they're endangered! Let 'em go, they oughta be extinct!<BR><BR>What? <BR><BR>Oh.<BR><BR>Never mind.

Mr/Ms Another New Yorker-<BR>the sentiment is the same.You are way too angry,good thing you don't like guns!<BR>And why call yourself a New Yorker since you seem to have such resentment against New Yorkers?<BR>Obviously you are very young,or at least immature and with time you may become more well mannered and tolerant.

Another New Yorker-<BR>"People over 50 have a very difficult time navigating bridges and tunnels"???<BR><BR>What the hell are you talking about??<BR><BR>You are either 12 years old or live in a cave! Go play in your room and leave us alone.And change your name to clueless twit.

Ah yes, Cathy wants to sling s**t at bad drivers, and the New Yorkers are telling people to stay the hell home, or take the train. <BR><BR>And people wonder why everyone thinks New Yorkers have a bad attitude. Gee, I wonder why. If they aren't being incredibly nasty, they're giving what may be the worse possible travel advice I've ever heard on this forum. <BR><BR>And do tell, how was Diane supposed to get to Long Island? Now there's some great advice, if you are traveling from outside of New York to Long Island, take the subway! Yep, that's really good advice.<BR><BR>Oyvey!

Oyvey-I would advise you to change that name.It is not funny.

Diane's husband got exactly what he deserved. The cops working the tunnel probably have to deal with dimwits like him all day. Given the current city budget gap, they should definitely raise that fine to more than $70.

Rudy - don't worry, the $70 fine isn't the half of it. Wait until he gets his insurance rates for what the 2 points do.<BR><BR>Diane - you're wrong, you are criminals. Going through the EZ Pass lane is against the law. Period. And most New Yorkers who know darn well are going to tell the cop they're tourists who didn't know any better, etc. etc. If you are not able to read the huge signs both before and at the tool booths that say EZ PASS ONLY then you should probably not be driving. If tunnels confuse you, don't use them.<BR><BR>The cop is doing his job. He should be giving you a ticket, and all of the time and effort to pull you out of the line and escort you safely to the side of the road probably costs the city more than the $70.<BR><BR>His rudeness is something totally different. If you felt you were wronged there, write a letter to the police dept. with his badge number. But as far as getting the ticket you deserved it. If you felt you didn't then you tell that to the judge, not the cop. The cop only gives out the tickets, it's not his job to give out tickets "only if the law breakers do not just happen to be tourists who claim they didn't know and should be excused for any infraction".<BR><BR>My advice is complain about the treatment, but face the music for breaking the rules.

I have been going through those tunnels and bridges now for 30 years.Moved to NY from SF.Somehow I have managed all this time to read the signs,pay a toll,now I go through EZpass and have not been stopped once.<BR>It really is not as hard as some people are making it out to be.<BR>