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Jim Kane, In defense of the Texan (which I wound not ordinarily do) This would be the equivilent of crushing the church lady's favorite $200 hat...And she would be MAD.<BR><BR>Those cowboy hats are sometimes custom made and are very expensive. They put more pride in them than any other piece of clothing that they have ever owned.<BR>Be a little more understanding next time.
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I've always wondered.. What exactly is the reason that window shades must be up for take-off and landing? If we're goin' down, I don't want to see it.
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With all of these depressing reports of inconsiderateness and downright rudeness, let me throw in this one about kindness. A couple of months ago I was alerted that my father was dying and I needed to make reservations and fly in the same day. I was distraught and frazzled to say the least. My seat was the window seat and there was a man seated in the aisle seat (middle seat empty). He not only jumped up and offered to store one of my bags in the bin but took it back down when I mistakenly thought I left my book in it and put it back again. We started a conversation but mostly kept to our reading. When he saw me eating a pack of peanutbutter crackers I mentioned I'd not had time for lunch. He offered me some homemade scones he had in his knapsack. He listened sympathetically to my crisis.<BR><BR>Long story, but wanted to balance out the negative with an anecdote about compassion and kindness. Courtesy and even chivalry is NOT dead!
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This whole arguement is ridiculous. Except for the light factor, only the person next to the window can see anything anyway! If you want the view--get a window seat. Its not like jets roar through the mountains so that you can see the snow capped peaks from the aisle seat. <BR><BR>I would be very concerned if I could view the scenery from my middle seat without leaning across the stranger next to me. I only reserve a window seat when I want to sleep, or I am flying somewhere that I know I want to see the view as we land (usually the only time there is really something to see......)<BR><BR>Get to the airport early and say "I would like a window seat please" works like a charm for me everytime!
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The person in the window seat does not own the view. Neither does a person next to the window in a restaurant own the view. She should have confronted that bitch/jerk.
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I agree with you completely, Emily. All to often in our society we resort to rules, or lawyers, to get around having to talk to people and work out a compromise. Sure, if the person at the window really does not want to have sun on them then since they have the right to close the shade. Or, perhaps they just closed it out of habit, and if asked, would have had no problem opening it back up for a fellow row-mate? She should have asked.
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1. For some of us, flying over the Rockies is the only way we get to see them, and in fact there is a fair amount you can see from the middle seat -- e.g., coming into Seattle, Mt. Rainier is often on your left and can be seen even from across the aisle, ditto the skyline of Chicago on certain approaches to ORD.<BR><BR>2. I love my window seats and my window view, and I'm very loathe to close the shade entirely for someone else -- HOWEVER, in the case of very bright light or a movie screen not well shielded from cabin light, I've been known to pull the shade half-way down or more, which is usually an acceptable compromise for all involved.
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On one flight, I put my shopping bag in the overhead and settled in. Much later, a couple came along with a HUGE heavy carry on and first tried slamming it into the bin. Before I could even say anything, they grabbed my shopping bag and put it in another bin. They didn't even ask! That was pretty rude. I would have even helped them with their bags if they had only asked if it was OK to move my bag. jerks!
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Let's face it - there are a lot of rude and/or inconsiderate jerks travelling on our planes. They are outnumbered by the nice people but the nice people are the 'Silent Majority' and invisible.<BR><BR>Next time you fly make it a point to do at least one thing nice for someone else. And if someone is rude or inconsiderate then challenge them. Bullies are encouraged by success and daunted by failure.
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Shame..Sounds like your telling us to pick a fight. Can't people just get on a plane,sit down,and shut up. We are flying across the country for cheap money in most cases. My god,who cares if you cant see the rockies from the plane,that view stinks anyway. Next thing,we will be bitching because we can get a free meal. ENOUGH!
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Actually I've flown about 200,000 miles per year for the past 15 years and never had a fight with anyone. Partly it is because I really think about being considerate and friendly. But I am not afraid to push back against people who are being rude or grossly inconsiderate. There are ways to do it which do not involved physical violence or screaming confrontation.
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By the way - I have never complained about getting a free meal no matter how bad the food.
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I ignore the rudeness. I see just as much from passengers and employees of the airlines. If a passenger has a window seat,is trying to sleep and someone leans over to open the shade,who is being rude? If I am in the window seat,maybe I don't ignore THAT rudeness. Waking people up is rude.
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I can't believe that people are getting so bent out of shape about people closing the shade. I fly about 2-3 times a month and usually sit on the aisle - but sometimes end up in the window or the middle. I have never spent a moment feeling ANYTHING about someone closing the shade. I'm getting the feeling that all of this whining is simply about immature people who simply cannot stand the thought of someone else having the ability to control something they can't do much about it. It's petty and childish. Anyone who actually places so much importance on being able to look out the window needs to get out more.
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Yeah, obviously, if we are so immature as to want to actually see out the window that's it, we just don't get out enough, haven't yet looked out enough windows. Definite sign of immaturity. Definite. You are obviuosly one of the incosiderate SOBs who care zip about anyone else's wants or needs but your own. Talk about immaturity!
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There was a long, sometimes funny, sometimes rancourous thread on the window-shade controversy on the "Airlines" forum. A number of people spoke up about having an actual need for having the shade up -- a couple had poor vision and needed the light to read; some get airsick if they can't orient to the horizon; some are claustrophobic and lose it if they can't see beyond the cabin. Fair enough: if they have managed to get a window seat, I think they're mostly entitled. But if they haven't managed to get a window seat and are stuck in the middle or the aisle, they should probably have made their situation clearer on check-in instead of hoping the window-seat person will be understanding.
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To Notmy name (Miss manners you are NOT)- so what if they moved it. You didn't say they damaged it, only moved it. You don't own any given bin. Yes, it would be nice if they said "whoever owns .... we moved it", so you wouldn't worry about it, but it appears you saw it and spent the rest of the flight getting your frilly panties caught in a bind about "interlopers" in YOUR "territory"<BR>
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