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AIR B&B in NYC..a Cautionary Tale from NYTimes

Old Dec 9th, 2012, 09:54 AM
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Well, airbnb guests could still be classified as "house guests" in (A) right?

Certainly this reading is consistent with the stories in the first NYT article quoted in this thread, that you are allowed to rent to someone else for fewer than 30 days as long as you're also physically present.

Suppose I swap my apartment with someone else's apartment in Paris for two weeks. Should/Would (B) cover this? It seems like this is not "monetary compensation," is it?
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Old Dec 9th, 2012, 10:05 AM
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No - "house guests" don't pay - and they people you are already related to or friends with. Not strangers found in a newspaper.

And no matter how you try to twist it - as intended - short-term sublets are illegal - unless you own the entire building - and it's a small, private building - not a traditional apartment house.
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Old Dec 9th, 2012, 10:10 AM
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sf7303: The question is, then, what are "lawful boarders, rooters or lodgers".

Is a couchsurfer more "lawful" than an airbnb guest? Is a prostitute that overnights more "lawful"? Is hiding a criminal relative more "lawful"?

and honestly I have no idea what "rooters" are nor why they would want to have short-term airbnb stays.

111op: house swaps would be unlawful in NYC if you are both "unnatural persons" but would be allowed if you are both "natural persons".
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Old Dec 9th, 2012, 11:31 AM
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"And no matter how you try to twist it"

I'm not twisting anything. I'm just reading what's available. Who says "house guests" don't pay? That's not what the clause says. That's how you're reading it.

Even the NYT article that was first quoted had this: "And that law says you cannot rent out single-family homes or apartments, or rooms in them, for less than 30 days unless you are living in the home at the same time."

My reading is entirely consistent with what the NYT reports. It's also consistent with this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/ny...d-bs.html?_r=0

"The new law made it illegal to rent out apartments in residential buildings for under 30 days. Owners of an apartment or a town house may still rent out one or two rooms, provided that they live in the home and everyone has access to common areas like the kitchen."

Why are you insisting on your "short-term sublets are illegal - unless...."? The exceptions are there to be read by everyone and there are more exceptions than you're claiming.
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@nytraveler.. a "natural person" in legal terminology means a human being. It does not refer to the degree of closeness between people, friends or strangers. It is making a distinction between occupancy by human beings, as opposed to entities such as corporations, or limited liability companies, or business partnerships.

The point of the original post was to alert NY renters to the possible consequences of renting out their apartments in same manner as the person profiled in the article. And those who are considering renting an apartment in NY should also be aware of what is legal and what is not legal, as you have no recourse when engaging in illegal activity, if you have a problem. If you are visiting NY, you want to ensure that you will have an enjoyable and hassle-free stay.
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Finally, I give up.

People can try to do whatever they want.

But they need to realize that they may be scammed (as many are) or find themselves removed as trespassers.

It's their time and money to risk.
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