San Salvador to Copán and Palenque

Jul 26th, 2019, 10:28 AM
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I had exactly the same experience, Daniel, but five years earlier. When I returned home I read several of Michael Coe's books, as well as tearing through Conquest: Montezuma, Cortes, and the Fall of Old Mexico by Hugh Thomas.

I'm planning a return trip for this winter, wondering if I can fit Veracruz and Palenque in the available timeframe.
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Jul 26th, 2019, 11:03 AM
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Partially because of this thread I discussed a Mayan ruin vacation with my wife last night. She likes the idea but we have a few other thoughts on the books. However, February and March are when we like to escape winter and that’s the dry season down there, so it fits!

Fra_Diavolo, I’ve seen but haven’t read Michael Coe’s books, perhaps even in connection with Angkor.

MmePerdu, “converted” was a poor word choice, glad you understood the intent.

Coincidentally there is a very long op-ed piece in the NY Times today about Honduran gang violence, “Pay or Die”. I skimmed but haven’t read it yet.
Thanks again Daniel.
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Jul 26th, 2019, 12:53 PM
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Fradiavolo—In a similar vein, I very much appreciated Aztec by Gary Jennings, which I read last year.

Nelson—I’ll see if I can read that article, but I will say in relation to this that I’ve been having a lot of trouble with newspaper coverage of the Northern Triangle of Central America (and Mexico) on all sides of the political spectrum. I might expect this from Fox but the New York Times and the Guardian in particular paint this region with an always negative brush that leaves me questioning these papers’ credibility. Why are they telling the story this way?
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Jul 26th, 2019, 01:20 PM
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Daniel, it was listed as an opinion piece and I haven't struggled thru it yet either, but I suspect the point being argued is in the subtitle: " MS-13 and 18th Street gangsters want to run Honduras. Cutting off American aid isn’t going to stop them."

But yes, an article like that is so counter to your upbeat TR.
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Jul 26th, 2019, 01:56 PM
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>>>it was listed as an opinion piece and I haven't struggled thru it yet<<<

I'm about halfway through. It details the extent of gang activity against business, such as bus companies, from which they extort "tax" money. Failure to pay often results in the death of employees. The focus then expands to examine government corruption, some liked to gangs, some freelance. There are ghost teachers at ghost schools, medical drugs are diluted so as to be ineffective (think The Third Man), shell NGOs set up to siphon off aid money, etc. It will probably run in the print edition this weekend. I expect any solution would require a very long term effort and honestly can't imagine where to begin.
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Jul 30th, 2019, 08:44 AM
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Well, I've just started reading Jungle of Stone & on the second page of the introduction a red flag. Now I know I tend to be a nit-picker, I don't deny it, and Carlson seems to have all the bona fides for the job he's taken on. However, already he's made a real amateur mistake, using the word "hieroglyphics" when he means hieroglyphs, a notorious misusage. And why didn't the editors pick it up? I'll assume at this point that it's his storytelling skills that got him where he is. We'll see.
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Jul 31st, 2019, 06:37 AM
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I suspect I have probably made that mistake too describing what I saw. I blame the Spanish word jeroglíficos.
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Jul 31st, 2019, 10:02 AM
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That's too funny DW, but you're an amateur (I presume) and completely immune from blame when making an amateur mistake. Unlike the other who's being paid to get it right. Applause for great reports doesn't count as paid.
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Aug 1st, 2019, 01:52 PM
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Hieroglyphics vs hieroglyphs -- I confess I would never have noticed this. However, a book I just started reading, Greek to Me, uses the word hieroglyphs, early on, correctly, I suppose, but there does seem to be some disagreement. One online source denied any difference in modern usage, but my trusty OED defines a hieroglyph as "Any of the characters of the ancient Egyptian writing system" with a secondary meaning of "a figure, device or sign with a hidden meaning."

Going on to hieroglyphic, the OED says "the characters or mode of writing used esp. by the ancient Egyptians" with a secondary meaning "a picture standing for a word or idea" -- which seems distinct from a "hidden meaning." So I expect the context defines all.

Wouldn't it be nice to be a linguist?
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Aug 1st, 2019, 02:12 PM
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Simply put, hieroglyph is a noun, hieroglyphic is an adjective, as in hieroglyphic writing. "Modern usage" means it's used incorrectly so often these days they've given up trying to make the distinction. The "disagreement" is likely between those who've given up and those who haven't.

An update on the book, once I got over being disappointed & moved on, he used the correct form 2 times later in the introduction so he does seem to know the difference. And he's a good storyteller, as I suspected he might be, and I'm enjoying it.
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Aug 1st, 2019, 06:57 PM
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I would have missed this too and also Googled after reading your first post and saw the "modern usage" page reported by Fra. As you noted even the editors missed this one.

I recently completed the best mountaineering biography I've ever read and found one typo. I know one of the collaborators via online, and reported it to him. He said they were nearly in tears when they found it after the first edition was printed. But I was the first reader who reported it.

Glad to hear it's an enjoyable read, I've got it packed for a trip. Thanks for the info and the good eye!
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Aug 1st, 2019, 09:47 PM
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Glad to hear there are others who care. Cheers, Nelson!
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