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Why registration is bad and will make this board worse (a thoughtful analysis)

Why registration is bad and will make this board worse (a thoughtful analysis)

Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 11:36 AM
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AD, you obviously didn't read the info Fodor's provided about registration. Your email address WILL NOT be displayed once registration takes effect.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 11:39 AM
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Trolls will continue to post, just as they do on plenty of other sites with registration. If they get particularly irritating Fodor's can shut down that account, but trolls can get around that problem by simply re-registering (after having gotten another email address, another easy thing to do). Repeat offenders can be traced back to the IP assuming they use the same computer, but again one can get around that by using public internet access (cybercafes, etc.).

The chief advantage from my perspective is that my screen name is now my screen name, and nobody else can pretend to be me. I don't post so much that anybody particularly cares to be me, or to offend me, or to masquerade as me, but this issue can be problematic for others.

Fodor's has always been able to delete posts. Fodor's clearly does not monitor posts closely the way, for instance, chowhound does, and I doubt they're going to start doing so.

I think that the legal risk of offering an opinion of an establishment that differs from somebody else's approaches zero.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:05 PM
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I have just registered under the above name. However, I don't think registration is really going to make a huge difference in terms of the content of posts on the board.

I have been a previous xxx'er and was so because I noted quite a few flames (by both anonymous posters and named sources) towards people who were just offering up their own opinion on issues which were not even close to inflammatory. (And, might I say, Betty K. that even though you think "personal insults are not funny", you have indeed insulted a few people on this board yourself because they did not agree with what you thought, myself included.)

I would like to think that we can all live by the golden rule and treat others with respect, even if we don't agree.

Frank, you have some very good points. However, even though I am not a lawyer, I wouldn't think that opinions posted here are potentially libelous since they are, indeed, just opinions. If Fodors published false statements which purport to be facts about an establishment, for example, and the statements hurt the establishment's public reputation, then that could be taken as libelous. But that's just my "opinion"...

Having said all that though, I still enjoy visiting this board regularly and I think most of the people here are good people. Can't we all just get along? ;-)
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 12:22 PM
Amen Frank!
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Frank's post is an excellent one.

I agree that registration will make it more likely that some regulars will take it upon themselves to report "bad" behavior. I also think this forum will become even more "cliquish". Those of us who are simply occasional visitors and posters will treated to more creepy stories of "Fodorite gatherings" and the incessant ramblings of self-important (and in some cases self-promoting) know-it-alls.

Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:19 PM
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It is purely a quality control issue and long overdue. The net result will be serious travelers talking to each other without the distractions of adolescent ravings. Bring it on !
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:30 PM
Watch for
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Watch for Bob's advertising of his services to come seriously out of the closet now.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:53 PM
Bob Brown
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Registration will have minimal impact on what I have to say.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 01:58 PM
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Bob, I've appreciated your advice in the past, but your statement that "The net result will be serious travelers talking to each other without the distractions of adolescent ravings" simply reinforces Frank's inner circle argument against registration.

What about the new visitors or less experienced travelers who visit Fodor's? Will they now be intimidated by the 'serious travelers' talking to each other?

This board shouldn't be a private club dominated by a few, and that's the biggest problem with registration.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:07 PM
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What a bunch of baloney. Go look at the traffic at other boards that require registration and tell me that registration at Fodors will limit participation to some elite few. Try Cruisecritic.com, for instance...thousands and thousands of posters, zero profanity, plenty of humor (granted, a lot of it pretty lame, but who's as funny as I am anyway?) but lots and lots of good advice from patient people. Sure, a lot of questions are repeats and the newbies make dumb mistakes, but nobody's flaming anybody. It amounts to a real "community" of people interested in cruising.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 02:24 PM
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What a carry on! I am registered on several sites and have NEVER had spam emails. Email addresses are not posted and fodors have said that they will not be. My favourite site even incorporates forums for those people here who only seem interested in trolls and things not directly linked to travel. It helps to keep the other forums free for those who are interested in travel. Its only an internet site everyone! If you don't like it go somewhere else but DON'T LET IT RUIN YOUR LIFE!
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 03:21 PM
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Let me address your points given here, Frank.
If one has concern for their privacy, there are plenty of free email options-*Hotmail & Yahoo* which can be opened just for this purpose alone. Registration does not invade your privacy. I am registered under a false name with a hotmail address just in that name.
Your idea of Free Speech and someone elses are quite different and so far on these boards, there are too many crude and obscene remarks made to other posters. Perhaps that will be stopped and we will be the better for it. I doubt Fodors will be that diligent with the censoring, even if it is registerd. They still want people to use the forums. Trolls can be funny, name calling and stalking is not.
Worrying about "long time posters" is the sort of "fear" that some people have when they feel left out of things.
Just because one has been posting on Fodors longer than another, makes no difference when the site is registered. All posters are equal to Fodors. There is a poster from England who is a long time poster, and I am thrilled he still posts. I value the insights and experience of the travelers and long time posters here. They have just as much to offer if not more than newbies.
Bringing up cliques sounds like the kid that got left out of the game and sees others as being in a club that he is not welcome in..this does not seem to be the place for that.
While you worry about Free Speech, you also want someone to "Come down" on posters for replying with "Scorn" to a question..Can't have it both ways, Frank.
You are concerned about the humor being lost yet you want things to be kept Family Friendly. While often during weekends and school holidays, the boards are full of childish and nasty posts. Whether they are actually children posting or not , it is childish. Most of the posters here are adults who travel and that should be the theme for the site, not something that keeps you chuckling.
I think I have addressed each of your fears.
It is nice of you to let us know how you feel. I think you should stop worrying so much about other posters and just enjoy the ability to post on these forums at all.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 03:39 PM
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What a smug, condescending reply. You're much worse than the trolls.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:11 PM
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So interesting all of you with so much to say yet not the courage to give your name.

I can't wait until only registered users can post. For sure, there will be those who will spend the time and effort to create new registrations in order to post nonsense. But, when their posts get deleted time and time again,they'll likely give up and go away.

You can post or not. It's entirely up to you. You can behave yourselves or not.

Smart Frank - why not go over to Delphi and start your own board?
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 07:32 PM
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I've only been visiting this site for a few weeks, but I'm fairly acquainted with message boards and forums from elsewhere on the www.

The thing that comes to my mind, being an internet-based business person myself, is... what does free speech have to do with it? The internet isn't public domain anymore than your average storefront business. This site is owned, as is the physical server it sits on, for the purpose of directly or indirectly making money. And like K-Mart down the street, the owners have the right to make rules concerning behavior that go over and beyond the rules that exist out on the public street, just outside the store. Say, try badgering and yelling at a mother for bringing her kids to the store with her. The store wouldn't hesitate in removing you .. no matter how funny you and your friends thought you were.

Why would anyone assume an online business would be any different?
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 09:34 PM
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does anyone else remember the introduction of decimilazation? Loads of people protested that they would never use the real money.Perhaps you don't though- it is probably long forgotten now.
Old Jan 23rd, 2003, 11:52 PM
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I've read with interest all the posts on this over the last few days and still haven't been swayed. I welcome the registration. I "lurked" on this board for quite a while before I asked my questions, simply because the degree of flaming and personal insults was out of control. I have no problem with the humor, legitimate debate and even some of the trolls, but when a new poster is reluctant to ask a simple hotel question because they might be attacked as "stupid", then something needed to change. I just can't see how a 30 second registration process is going to scare away new people, especially if the board becomes a friendlier and more welcoming place.
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 12:51 AM
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I personally do not welcome registration, and I'd still prefer it not be introduced. But I think it's become inevitable as a consequence of the more horrible postings here.

There is no excuse for being rude to people about travel questions.

I find some of the postings here very funny, and I don't mind the politics. I find the invective which goes with some of the discussion of the politics amazing. A lot of people here seem to think there is no legitimate position other than their own and dismiss the idea of pluralism in politics.

I know that when I get linked to sites that require registration I walk away. I will register here because I enjoy the site, and I will see what happens. I think it will get more bland and I don't think it will stop the repeat postings, which are the only thing that weary me.

Old Jan 24th, 2003, 06:20 AM
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Hey, everyone, lightenup! I have chosen two names and will likely get another. One will be to answer and post serious questions, another will be use when I want have some fun...I love some of the troll threads, and perhaps a third one that I may use to espouse my political views.

I'm going to continue to have fun and try to be as positive as possible.

I agree with the poster who said Fodors is making a business decision. She is quite right about them having the privilege and obligation to allow for and protect against certain behaviors.

This forum will be just fine. Wait and see!
Old Jan 24th, 2003, 06:34 AM
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Registration is going to help in quality control and serious travel talk? Puleeze. Should I eat a Jules Verne during the day or night? What are the most sylish travel shoe? I'm travelingto Helsinki in February, should I bring a sweater?

Yes, the same newbie questions are posted constantly - but also many of the regulars (who are frustrated wanna be travel agents from hell) talk about the same stuff, ad nauseum.

Old Jan 24th, 2003, 06:38 AM
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I agree with anon. Two names,one for fun, one for serious travel.

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