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Smart Frank Jan 23rd, 2003 08:49 AM

Why registration is bad and will make this board worse (a thoughtful analysis)
 
Let me begin by saying that I respect everyone's opinions on this board and I think we all should be allowed to express ourselves without fear of censorship or being subjected to repeated insulting posts. One caveat, however, everyone's post should respect others by being void of insults, vulgarities and falsehoods.<BR><BR>That being said, I feel that registration will make this board worse. I say that for a number of reasons. First is a concern about privacy of personal data. Your email is registered and is logged. I feel Fodors is a reputable and ethical company yet there are many reports of info being spread throughout the internet by hackers, etc.<BR><BR>A second reason is that registration may stifle free speech and ACCURATE opinions of travel sites. If someone is saying a flea bag hotel is nice and you say that is wrong and it is a dump can you open yourself up to litigation (libel, etc). The board will be left with nicey-nicey posts about everything and be of no value to anyone.<BR><BR>A third concern for registration is that it panders to the &quot;inner circle of longtime posters&quot; who try to enforce their own rules on the rest of us. We are told what is an appropriate post or that something was posted on that subject yesterday hence no responses are needed. Will the use of registered names &quot;empower&quot; these people more to report bad posts and ultimately ban well intentioned people? The cliques of like minded posters make it rough sometimes on individuals with divergent views.<BR><BR>Another reason for concern is that humor level of the board will probably decrease. I do not like bathroom humor or adolescent pranks. I do find some &quot;troll' posts to be funny and I think others do as well. I have found that the majority of people who complain about troll posts seem to have NO sense of humor. I fear the humor will leave the board.<BR><BR>Another fear is that the inner circle of longtime porsters will enforce their own standards and attempt to ban nonconformers. This is similar to the above paragraph but different in this way. At times there ahs been an attempt by some to discuss adult topics/themes in relation to travel on the board. Not pornographic but an adult themed travel. Some posters throw a tizzy and speak about kids on the board and some things should never be said.....An avalanche of scorn came down on a couple people but it seemed no violation of conduct was made. Yet these people chose to make this their board and only certain &quot;family friendly&quot; topics are allowed. My point is who reigns these people in as I fear they will try and ban the maverick poster; the poster with original thought. I worry about the tyranny of the minority vocal posters.<BR><BR>This post is already too long but I thank you for reading it and hope you take it in the vein it was given. I understand that I am swimming upstream here but I felt some opinions against registration needed to be voiced. <BR><BR>Thank you and have a good day.

x Jan 23rd, 2003 08:53 AM

Agreed,this board will become Wimbledon without John McEnroe. Same stuff over and over with no comedic character.

Me2 Jan 23rd, 2003 09:01 AM

I fear it will discourage 90% of newcomers. That will be a huge loss.

Laurie Jan 23rd, 2003 09:07 AM

Can someone explain why they're doing it and when it will happen?

Joe Jan 23rd, 2003 09:07 AM

Frank, I appreciate your point of view. The board will change with registration, and I'm not sure that all the changes will be for the better. However, I think expecting people to take personal responsibility for their speech is part of what makes freedom of speech a tenable concept. Anonimity has spiced things up a little at times, but I think it has also encouraged personal attacks and, at times, reduced discussions to a trivial and tedious level. At the very least, it will be interesting to see how the board changes over the next year or so.

Jose Jan 23rd, 2003 09:10 AM

I think this happened. A bunch of posters with no sense of humor pushed for this. Were ther masses ever polled? No!

get to the point Jan 23rd, 2003 09:11 AM

I hope they delete long over-written posts like this one.

progol Jan 23rd, 2003 09:16 AM

I disagree. I think the level of hostility and animosity has escalated to the point where people are afraid to ask any question or make any comment, for fear of the nasty reaction. We've seen it time and time again.<BR><BR>Many of the regulars/frequent contributers have used their own names, and that's no problem. The ones who use their own names, I think, are often the ones who are freely sharing their information and helpful opinions. It's the &quot;anon&quot; and &quot;xxx&quot; who more frequently create problems and add nothing but negativity to the boards. And that's true for the more humorous posts, too.<BR><BR>I think it can improve the boards, not hurt them; we won't lose anything if the negativity of insulting posts disappears. It will be a GREAT improvement if those hostile posts finally stop. This isn't censorship and opinions are not being squelched. Just the hope that the repeated insulting posts, which have definititely been escalating, will finally be reined in.

amy Jan 23rd, 2003 09:17 AM

Frank, I respect your opinion, however, I anxiously await the registration.<BR><BR>First, as for personal privacy...do as I do for all of these boards. Set up a Yahoo or Hotmail account and have all the junk mail go there. I made the mistake once of posting my real email address here and got flooded with junk. I would much rather take a discussion offline if it seems to be more in depth or if it wanders off to something non-travel related but still interesting to me, but I won't give out my email to an open forum again. I find it hard to believe that in this day and age, people haven't already registered their email with Amazon, CDNow, Ebay, etc. Don't tell me Fodors would be your first?<BR><BR>Second, I can't wait for the day when there are no more troll posts. Sure, they'll slip through using the aforementioned free accounts, but they'll be fewer and far between. And I certainly don't come here for humor and pranks; there are other boards for that.<BR><BR>I'm certainly not among the &quot;inner circle&quot; of posters, but am a daily visitor to this board, and even I grow weary of people who post here questions that were answered a day or two ago. This shows no regard for others on here if they can't even go do a search first. That's similar to someone coming here to ask for help planning a trip and he hasn't even looked at a guide book yet to know what he's talking about.<BR><BR>Registering will hold people more accountable for their actions and hopefully stop the political diatribes and the personal attacks. I can only hope. Again, just my opinion, but the other side of the thoughtful analysis! ;-)

Frank supporter Jan 23rd, 2003 09:18 AM

To &quot;get to the point&quot; It takes a certain level of intelligence to read and understand a post longer than three sentences.<BR><BR>I reccommend that you start with short paragraphs in magazines and work yourself up to well written essays. That way you won't get confused and act nasty in your posts.<BR><BR>Frank you make excellent posts. &quot;Get to the point&quot; illustrates what many have issues with here.

Another Frank Supporter Jan 23rd, 2003 09:21 AM

I agree on almost all points, especially the humor point! Why would I constantly come back to this message board if it weren't for the constant humor. I unfortunately am not constantly planning to travel, and the humerous posts (yes and troll posts) kept me coming back and posting more and more.

frank Jan 23rd, 2003 09:53 AM

what a fuss over nothing! Register if you want to continue using Fodors. If you don't want to register, don't. There are far more important things in this world to worry about. All this gloom and doom is ridiculous. I for one will predict that fodors users will increase after registration. I am also certain that most people who say they will not register, will.

mt Jan 23rd, 2003 10:06 AM

Amy - <BR>Trolls are very clever - and I predict that &quot;troll posts&quot; will evolve - one can only hope humorously and entertainingly. I get very leery of the polite police here - &quot;you should say thank you&quot; will change to &quot;you have to say thank you&quot;. Smart Frank brings up some very vaild points - I do think things are going to become very sanitized here. If Fodors is going to start wrist slapping flamers then they should also wrist slap certain people who dominate this board for no other purpose than to self promote (it is extremly off putting - and the quality of his info is poor)<BR><BR>

erinb Jan 23rd, 2003 10:15 AM

hi all,<BR><BR>I think this is a big deal about something that will simply not work and may not be for the exact reasons you guys think it is being required. <BR><BR>anyone can register with an email from hotmail so trolls and troublemakers will still be present. as to what is proper on the board and what is not...the site establishes the rules....if fodors wants this to be a more family oriented board they can decide to put in rules concerning language use and a ban on adult themes. registering is not going to stop the petty sniping. ignoring them will.<BR><BR>you guys what is really happening here is that by registering, we not only have to use a certain name, but fodors will be able to see our gateway or ip address. this is a way for them to block certain computers access if need be. another reason for this step might be that fodors is looking to building a mass list of travelers and their email addresses. that list is a very valuable asset in terms of advertising dollars etc. having it will be a marketing tool for getting a bigger piece of those advertising $$$....<BR><BR>can't you see it....here a verifiable list of people interested in travel...spams galore.<BR><BR>I am not in favor of it because it is not going to work if the intention is to keep out trolls. someone that wants to cause trouble will be able to do so with little effort.

bettyk Jan 23rd, 2003 10:18 AM

I agree that too much is being made of registering. If it gets rid of the nasty, childish posters, then everyone will benefit. Nobody objects to levity, but personal insults are not funny and are not what this board is about.

XXX Jan 23rd, 2003 10:31 AM

Don't fear change <BR><BR>They are not posting your internet address, just your username. This is the new internet, just look at 99% of the boards out there. Get used to it, the way of life on the net. Surprised they did not make this move years ago<BR><BR>BTW, who took my XXX user id :-)<BR><BR>

get real Jan 23rd, 2003 10:41 AM

To the poster who wants to make this board Family Friendly. Do your job as a parent. Pay attention! If you don't think that Vegas casinos or how to win over chicks in a Greek disco is Family Friendly....well, you should know the answer.

posting Jan 23rd, 2003 11:12 AM

How thin skinned some of you must be. Since when is an attack on an anonymous person by another anonymous person a &quot;personal attack.&quot; Does it ruin your day that another anonymous person disagreed with you, or called you a name? If so, I don't know how you get along in the real world or, perhaps that is it, you don't. For some of you this is the natural extension of the politically correct - please don't express any strong feelings - don't disagree with anyone - make everyone feel great - crowd. <BR><BR>The real tragedy is first time European travelers will opt for another forum over this one, b/c this one requires a registration. I don't know about you, but if I come across a website or forum that requires registration, I think twice before using it and, more often than not, pass it by. <BR><BR>I suspect Fodors may have an alternative reason for requiring registration. I haven't read their disclaimer, but I suspect that even if they don't give away email addresses, Fodors will use the addresses to push their books, etc. Anyway, that is what happens on other forums.

A D Jan 23rd, 2003 11:12 AM

My only real issue is that the email address is prominently displayed on these boards.<BR><BR>On the rest of the boards I use (that do have registration), I get to choose whether or not anyone but the board owners and moderators sees my address. Under the Fodor board's current format, I don't have that option. And I don't see any hints that the situation will change when registration is implemented.<BR><BR>But no, I do not mind being associated with my posts.

my Jan 23rd, 2003 11:26 AM

I doubt this registration decision has much to do with reducing the flaming and troll posts but rather a marketing decision to attract more advertisers for these banners. There have been a lot of Fodors' own banners, which shows they lack advertisers.<BR>I suspect advertisers want statistics on how many people are registered, how many new ones join, etc..<BR>Last but not least, the registration form has an option to accept newsletters, the dream of any advertiser.<BR><BR>I agree with Frank that humor will suffer. A pity, but maybe just as well, because I'm spending way too much time on this forum... :-)<BR>


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