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What's the difference between Rugby Union and Rugby Leauge?

Old Aug 16th, 2014, 06:17 AM
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bilbo - I'd forgotten about 7s - which is also very energetic of course but only last 7 minutes each way. [10 mins for finals in some tournaments]. it's a new sport to the Olympics in 2016 so those of you of a transatlantic persuasion should be able to get a good look at it.

flpab - I loved the first gaff on the website link you found but i couldn't actually see what the 2nd one was.

I hate American football.>>

I can't get that excited about it. indifference would more describe my position.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 03:15 AM
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Bit concerned about the habit of Rugby players bathing naked together after the game.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 04:10 AM
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>>Bit concerned about the habit of Rugby players bathing naked together after the game.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 05:53 AM
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Bit concerned about the habit of Rugby players bathing naked together after the game>>

I thought that all blokes shower/bathe with each other after sports like rugby and football. just like boys' public schools in England. Have I been getting that wrong all these years?
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 06:45 AM
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I remember when I was in the Royal Navy, and the ship I was on was alongside at the Pacific Island of Guam, which has a big USA Naval presence.

No football [soccer] pitches. So we had to play on an American Football pitch, and improvise a bit.

Our game was just 2 teams off the ship, and everything was going well until mid-way through the 2nd half.

Then along came loads of American families, and wanted to kick us off the pitch so that they could use it to practice for their American Football game game which kicked off in 2 hours time (yep, 2 hours time!).
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 07:07 AM
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"just like boys' public schools in England."

They all have private showers in comprehensives these days, do they?

At my grammar school, we didn't have showers till modernisation hit - then we all showered together. If I hadn't passed the 11+, I'd have gone to a school that stayed as shower free as it was in the early 19th century till it got condemned 30 years later.

I honestly have never met anyone (male or female) who didn't shower collectively, unless they went somewhere that simply didn't run to showers.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 10:17 AM
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I honestly have never met anyone (male or female) who didn't shower collectively, unless they went somewhere that simply didn't run to showers.>>

My midlands girls grammar school [attended by my mother before me] only ran to foot showers. Consequently i have never felt comfortable when I go to places eg swimming pools [usually abroad] where women strip off to shower in public.

I've no idea whether the comprehensive my kids attended had showers or not!

BTW, England ladies just went 21 - 9 up against Canada with 5 minutes to play. Allez les Blanches!
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 10:44 AM
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We won! Hurrah for the ladies!

I wonder if they've all got in the showers together?
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 11:25 AM
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>>I wonder if they've all got in the showers together?
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 11:48 AM
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Didn't the crazy people in the USA who run the military get all upset about showering with gay people? I thought we had moved on beyond that but I understand there are still no, that is no, gay footballers in the UK pro league. How likely is that?

http://www.gayrugbyclubs.com/
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 01:05 PM
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I seldom quote from Wiki, but in the USA's men's game (think deep voice overdub)
The macho environment that exists in football along with the hypermasculinity promoted by sportscasters make it difficult for a player to come out.[2][3] Heterosexuality is flaunted in NFL locker rooms with the passing of pornographic magazines and videos, and visits to strip clubs.[4] Gay slurs are sometimes used in the locker room. Former NFL player Mark Schlereth said the slurs were not necessarily gay bashing, believing they were "more out of ignorance than anything else. It doesn't excuse it, it's just the way it is."[5]
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 02:51 PM
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Former NFL player Mark Schlereth said the slurs were not necessarily gay bashing, believing they were "more out of ignorance than anything else. It doesn't excuse it, it's just the way it is.>>

yeh, right. The one openly gay UK footballer, Justin Fashenu, committed suicide in 1998. So far, just one rugby player, Gareth Thomas, has come out, which got a generally favourable press, but he stopped playing shortly afterwards. He got over 100 caps for Wales at Rugby union and 4 for rugby league and was a tough bloke by any standards.

Swimming seems to be a bit more open - Ian Thorpe has come out as has Tom Daley the diver - and there are several openly gay women tennis players, but no men that I'm aware of. However there are no gay cricketers so far as i know, well at least, none that want us to know about it.

Commonsense would suggest that there are as many gay people in the sporting field as anywhere else but given what hell the terraces still put non-white players through, I'm not holding my breath for any footballers to come out any time soon.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 07:18 PM
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<What's the difference between Rugby Union and Rugby League?>

In my case three or four days - I played rugby at school and league on weekends and was routinely knocked around in both (which might explain a few things).

As mentioned above, the TV coverage these days is very good and probably the best way to obtain an insight into the games - with the bonus that you only have to suffer the antics of the other idiots on the couch and not those of the big game crowds. For rugby in particular where rigid rule interpretations can spoil the big games for some, a good alternative is a hard fought but free flowing local derby in the company of a decent sausage or steak sandwich.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 08:09 PM
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My husband played both too, farremog.
More precisely, union (rugby) at school & both when he left. League on Saturdays, Union on Sundays, each often a few hundred kms away.
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 08:11 PM
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Farrermog - is your screen name a nod to your old school, by any chance?
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Old Aug 17th, 2014, 10:38 PM
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Bokhara - no it wasn't Farrer Ag HS - the screen name refers to the suburb we lived in in Canberra, named after the same wheat breeding pioneer and where the streets are named after ag colleges and agriculturalists. [Nevertheless, my school sporting experience was as they say, character-forming, even if we didn't shower together and there was absolutely no chance of anyone, ever, 'coming out'. As part of a very small initial intake (half of whom females) to my (undistinguished Sydney) school, I had the dubious fortune to be automatically in the first rugby XV (and first cricket XI), which unfortunately contested a zone in which most of the other teams were veritable sporting powerhouses. Despite being a skinny runt, having played league at least gave the advantage of being able to put in a passable attempt at a tackle if the opposition lingered long enough on the way to the try line.]
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I've always liked P.G. Wodehouse's description of the game (Union,undoubtedly, but it would also apply to League) through the eyes of Bertie Wooster:

“Rugby football is a game I can't claim absolutely to understand in all its niceties, if you know what I mean. I can follow the broad, general principles, of course. I mean to say, I know that the main scheme is to work the ball down the field somehow and deposit it over the line at the other end and that, in order to squalch this programme, each side is allowed to put in a certain amount of assault and battery and do things to its fellowman which, if done elsewhere, would result in fourteen days without the option, coupled with some strong remarks from the Bench.”

Bertie's subsequent description of the match between Upper Bleaching and Hockley-cum-Meston is most amusing. For those who haven't read it, look for "The Ordeal of Young Tuppy" in "Very Good, Jeeves."
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