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what you like least about traveling to Europe

what you like least about traveling to Europe

Mar 15th, 2001, 08:12 AM
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I don't like how slowly the day of departure goes by. Every minute seems like an hour. There's another recent post that alludes to this problem.

I don't really mind anything else, although I would like to be able to sleep soundly and for 6 or 7 full hours on the plane going over, instead of a fitful 2 or 3 hours.

Oh - I have one - people who talk all night on the flight over, who somehow always end up sitting right behind me while I and presumably all the sensible people on the plane are trying their best to get some sleep. That's something I dislike about traveling to Europe.

Love everything else.
Mar 15th, 2001, 08:51 AM
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1. Jet lag.

2. Looking at my messy house upon my return.
Mar 15th, 2001, 08:59 AM
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Washing my clothes in a sink - they never seem totally clean or completely dry. I hate it! Also hate wasting vacation time in a laundromat.

Looooonnngg flight from Hawaii (coupled with my inability to sleep on airplanes).

Adjusting to 12 hour time difference between HI and Europe.

Reading about cheap airfares from the east coast to Europe on this forum!

However, none of these things would ever be annoying enough to stop me from going whenever the opportunity arises.
Mar 15th, 2001, 10:17 AM
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Well, your question was about traveling TO Europe, not traveling IN Europe, but maybe that's nit-picking. I, too, want to become a controlling shareholder in a big airline and make them pull out all the coach seats and replace them with La-Z-Boys (with the massage/heat element, thank you), and have all the meals prepared in the Dordogne or Alsace and placed on the planes… you get it.

But surely there's SOMEthing we don't like about travel IN Europe, so herewith my votes:
1. Road food in Germany and Spain. A major motivator to driving too fast.
2. While we're on the subject, Portuguese drivers, who should take up cycling en masse.
3.Ferries which ought to be serene, peaceful transportation devices, which instead are party-hearty, boozy, nonstop duty-free shopping malls that could use a bath.
4. Heathrow airport and getting there.
5. Most attendants on overnight sleeping cars managed by the Wagon-Lits company. Attend to what, precisely?
6. Aeroflot.
Mar 15th, 2001, 12:32 PM
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In six simple words: The stay is not long enough!
Mar 15th, 2001, 04:15 PM
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I HATE the flight. It seems to take for ever, is usually cramped, and don't even get me started on delays, cancelled flights.BUT,I will put up with that and more to take my yearly trip!
Mar 16th, 2001, 09:08 AM
Karen Morin
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For me the most unbearable thing is constant presence of cigarette smoke.
I deal with the long plane ride by using my miles for upgrades.
Mar 16th, 2001, 11:21 AM
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The overwhelming dislike (hatred) of the airplane and airport portion of the trip on this thread--(to which my loathing, fear and anger may be added), gave me a crazy, unworkable and impractical idea.
So here it is---maybe its time to revive transatlantic steamship travel. (Get out the net guys)
I know most of us cant spare the exrtra days---so maybe just one way?
I know the QE2 and a few turn around cruise ships (and freighters) do it from time to time but Im talking regular schedule trips.
Im thinking of faster 21 Century ships that would not be as plush or as expensive as say the QE2.
Well I said it was a nutty idea but getting beamed up will take a lot longer time to develop.
So other than telling me to go back to my padded cell Id like to hear your ideas on the possibilities....

Maybe give the project to Donald Trump or Ted Turner--hey come up with a transatlantic ship that wont cost an arm and a leg and would have the airlines begging for your business in no time at all. (Now doesnt that sound good?)

AH aboard the Titanic
Mar 16th, 2001, 11:57 AM
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Message to Gar -

I flew to a number of airports in China last fall and never encountered angry looking police officers. In fact, the entire time I was in China I was surprised by the lack of police presence. Just shows you how much our media plays things up. I felt very safe the entire time I was there.
Mar 16th, 2001, 10:35 PM
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Hey Melissa. The flight is beyond excruciating, isn't it? And the 12-hour jet lag is quite unique. I think only Prue has us beat.

For this trip, I'm planning on buying one of those little neck pillows that they sell at Rand-McNally, and maybe asking my doctor for some zone-out medicine. A shower mid-way would be helpful, too.

And how's about wearing our little blue ribbons on the plane to identify ourselves as members of fodor's "I hate the plane ride" support group? Rex, are you listening?

Aloha, k
Mar 16th, 2001, 10:43 PM
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Scigirl, my apologies. I didn't see that you were here, too. Cool!
Mar 17th, 2001, 05:49 AM
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When my husband and I travel it's like a honeymoon for us and we like to sleep together in the same bed. All too often we have difficulty finding rooms with one large bed, rather than two twins. Once, during a long trip in camper with our two teenaged sons, we decided to splurge on two rooms, one for them and one for us. We were disappointed to be given a room with two twin beds on opposite sides of the room! I know, we should have asked in advance...Does this seem to be the norm in most places in Europe?
Mar 17th, 2001, 06:04 AM
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There are doubles with two twins and doubles with one big bed. Perversely, I noticed in France and Italy that hotels sometimes accidentally(?) assign a room with twin beds to married couples and a room with one queen size bed to two roommates (not lovers) traveling together. In Italy, a double with twin beds is "una doppia con due letti" while a double with one big shared bed is "una camera matrimoniale".
Mar 17th, 2001, 08:25 AM
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Undoubtedly the cold I caught from someone on the plane ride home. It always appears just as I think my jet lag is conquered.
Mar 17th, 2001, 09:41 AM
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I agree with whoever said returning home! Also, having to defend America and Americans. I love Europe, but Europeans can be ignorant just like Americans can be--that get's to me.
Mar 18th, 2001, 09:03 AM
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with all the negative responses about flight time i would hope you complainers never go to asia esp bangkok as the travel time is 24-27 hrs with one 16 hour strech from st louis to tokoyo. it makes a jump across the puddle seem rather short in either direction
Mar 18th, 2001, 02:00 PM
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Depends where you start from, and where you are going.
Mar 18th, 2001, 02:14 PM
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Other American tourists who haven't learned a word of the local language and think the louder they speak English the more likely they'll be understood; other American tourists who dress as though they're off to a flea market no matter where they're really going; people in restaurants, shops and museums who holler at others, especially when they're within arms length; and tourists who think because they're contributing their money to the local economy they can behave as badly as they please and expect top-notch service in return.
Mar 18th, 2001, 05:12 PM
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Having just come back from Southeast Asia, we can only chuckle at those who decry the "long flight" to Europe. But what annoys us about European trips -- and it's a small thing -- is the almost complete lack of drinking fountains. Cold, fresh, sparkling, free water at the press of a button.
Mar 18th, 2001, 05:36 PM
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Clearly it's getting there, and getting back home.

No, Europe's not Asia, but traveling to Europe from the US middle west isn't like traveling to Europe from NYC, BOS or PHL either. Figure on leaving home two hours before the flight to the gateway city. An hour for that flight. Two more hours wait until your transatlantic flight. 7 hours for that flight. 30 minutes for immigration, bag claim and customs. Then three hours to our destination. 15-16 hours or so? Lots of opportunities along the way for things to go wrong?. Add nearly two hours on the return trip.

But in our more lucid moments we also remember that some of our grandparents took 5-7 days to cross the Atlantic. And at the fares they could afford (steerage on the original westbound leg, of course) they had 7X24 accommodations that make economy air seem luxurious.

We're grateful for the improvements ... but can't wait until we hit on PowerBall and we can buy our own jet!

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