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travelgourmet Feb 1st, 2009 11:38 PM

Not much point in shopping for at least 90% of the stuff you see in Europe. About the only things worthwhile are brands that aren't available in (most of) the US. Also, some luxury goods can be a relative bargain in the country of origin (the Furla example). The problem is that you may not have enough knowledge of US prices to know when a deal is good.

The one place to watch, though, is London. The drop in the pound has largely erased the price premium you used to see. iPods for instance, which used to be a common request from friends when I went to the US, are now roughly the same price in the UK as in the US. Much more of a drop and there may be some bargains to be had.

scrb Feb 1st, 2009 11:55 PM

But even with the exchange rate drops, I think you have to contend with VAT.

I saw iPod Nanos in Austria for 270 Euros. I think the most expensive ones in the US are the 16 GB ones which are what $200?

So we're talking over 50% higher price. I suspect in this case, Apple is charging more in Austria for some reason. Maybe there are higher customs.

Certainly no reason to buy American brands over there, even though you see big sections in department stores for Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein, etc.

scrb Feb 2nd, 2009 12:04 AM

Hmm, it must have been a store which marked up the iPod Nanos.

Because the Apple Austria site shows them at 149 and 199 Euro, which accounting for VAT isn't too bad.

Fnac.com lists the official prices too, for France.

hetismij Feb 2nd, 2009 12:07 AM

It has long been the norm for US manufacturers such as Levis and Apple to change the dollar sign for a pound sign or a Euro sign. Now the rates are different the prices are too, but it was always so that it was a lot cheaper, even with sales tax added, to buy such things in the US than here.
It is still true of a lot of cameras and camera lenses and other accessories that they are much cheaper in the US. I can buy a lens there, pay the sales tax on it there (which unlike VAT for foreigners in Europe is not refundable) and pay the import duties upon my return to NL and still have a massive bargain.
So no, apart from maybe a special handmade piece, I cannot understand why Americans would shop in Europe.

cathies Feb 2nd, 2009 12:08 AM

I love to buy little things that remind me of my holiday - scarves, tea towels (dish cloths) a bangle/bracelet. In Florence last year at the markets I bought a handbag and some gorgeous gloves. My HB is a fabulous photographer so we have some really lovely framed photographs throughout the house.

None of these things are expensive, but it gives me a little thrill every time I use them.

Here in Australia we don't have the advantage that US offers by way of cheap clothing. You are very lucky with clothing prices!

kleeblatt Feb 2nd, 2009 12:09 AM

Beats me.

bilboburgler Feb 2nd, 2009 12:29 AM

Since when is Apple a US manufacturer. I've spent a good part of my life shipping goods to the far east for use on Apple equipment.

Not sure about Levi, anyone else know where they are made?

Living in Europe, dependant on exchange rates I find Spanish clothes are generally cheaper than British, though a friend who is a clothing expert reckons German mens clothes are the best deal in Europe

travelgourmet Feb 2nd, 2009 01:06 AM

<i>But even with the exchange rate drops, I think you have to contend with VAT.</i>

Even factoring that in, the UK has, in my experience, largely lost its premium. I compare with Apple, because the products are the same, prices are easily found, and they used to be substantially cheaper in the US than in the UK. Now, the Nano, the iPod, and the macbook are all within 5% of the US price, if bought in the UK.

Euro countries retain more of their price premium, but my point was just that the UK might now be among the best places in Europe to buy global-type goods. The dollar has gone from roughly GBP 0.50 to GBP 0.70 since last May. That pretty much erases the price premiums that I used to see on a wide variety of goods, including clothing and electronics. There has not been enough local inflation to offset that drop.

<i>Not sure about Levi, anyone else know where they are made?</i>

The ones I have on were made in Cambodia.

quokka Feb 2nd, 2009 01:34 AM

&gt;I do almost all of my shopping in Europe.

Me too, Padraig.

flanneruk Feb 2nd, 2009 02:35 AM

&quot;Not sure about Levi, anyone else know where they are made?&quot;

Levi Strauss uses about 1,000 factories in 50 countries. Most, oddly, countries liable to lower import duty on arival in the EU than on arrival in the US.

There's an almost up to date list of the suppliers at www.levistrauss.com/Downloads/FactoryList.pdf

takemealong Feb 2nd, 2009 03:38 AM

I do not shop for luxury goods/brands, clothing, or food items (wine, cheese, etc.) in Europe. I do like to bring back an item that is unique to the destination but not a &quot;tacky&quot; souvenir. Yes, sometimes they are things that I can buy in the U.S. or on the Internet, but I still like to have something to remind me of each trip.

Otzi Feb 2nd, 2009 03:49 AM

Who buys clothes?

Our shopping is for booze, cheese, foodstuffs and antiques you can't get back home. I don't know where you shop, but I find European comestibles much much cheaper back where they are made than I can find them in trendy shops here in the States.

Why go to Europe to see castles when Disney has two here in the US?

wrenwood Feb 2nd, 2009 04:15 AM

I did buy an Irish sweater, scarf and hat last year, but mostly I buy memories.

We have 2 crystal wine glasses we bought in Heidelburg in 2007, our 25th Wedding Anniversary.

Last year in Ireland I got 2 wonderful Staffordshire Zebras at an Antique shop in Kenmare, and some beautiful Irish Lace that I am going to frame. Every time I look at them I see Kenmare.

And every vacation we buy some ornaments for our Christmas tree. That is the most fun as every year when we decorate we talk about where they came from and our past vacations.

ekscrunchy Feb 2nd, 2009 04:22 AM

I've found great bargains on many kinds of goods in Europe. We often travel to Italy during the January sales and prices are far lower then they are at home in the US. And there are many designs not found in US shops.

And some of the outlets have wonderful prices on high-end goods. In September we visited the outlets near Como--excellent prices! Loro Piana winter coat for US$600., minus the VAT!

TommieG Feb 2nd, 2009 04:42 AM

The fun in shopping in other European-countries (being a Dutchmen myself), is not in the high-street and/or high-end brands/shops you see all aroeund the world (H&amp;M, Zara, Armani, Chanle etc).
But more so in the middle/lower segment of shops/brands specific to a certain country. For instance; in France/Belgium/Spain/Italy you have got a mens clothing chain called Celio, they are (not yet) in the Netherlands. Their prices are affordable and you don't see the brand a lot over here.


irishface Feb 2nd, 2009 08:49 AM

I often pick up some little item to remind me of my trip (a Christmas ornament, a little watercolor, etc.) but don't go shopping specifically for them. Pick them up if I happen to see them while I am out and about.

YK, do you have some secret place to get Club orange biscuits? Please share!!! I haven't seen them in quite a few years and read somewhere that Jacobs was sold out to a French firm who dropped the clubs from their line.

yk2004 Feb 2nd, 2009 08:58 AM

irishface - I found some last May (2008) at the huge Waitrose supermarket in Windsor (next to the Windsor shopping center and rail station). They were placed on the bottom shelf... hard to find really.

However, when I went back to London Nov 2008, I could not find any Orange Club biscuits. I tried the relatively large Waitrose at the Gloucester Rd tube station in Kensington, and also various smaller Tescos in touristy areas. I was heartbroken.

flanneruk Feb 2nd, 2009 09:10 AM

Club Orange is still made in the UK. Browse the UK supermarket websites till you find it, then get a year's supply delivered to your UK address if you can't find it in the shops. It's not exactly the kind of food Waitrose specialises in these days.

The Jacobs brand is owned by different people in the UK and Ireland and there's a bit of argey bargey about intellectual property and brands. So if Jacobs Ireland (now Irish-owned again) doesn't want to make Club Orange, it might not be possible for Jacobs UK (owned mainly by US-based private equity) to export the product there.

Or try emailing United Biscuits (the owner of Jacobs UK) www.unitedbiscuits.co.uk

yk2004 Feb 2nd, 2009 09:16 AM

flanner - Can I order a year's supply of Club Orange to your address and I'll pick it up on my next trip to UK? You may keep one packet for yourself as service fee. :)

rosetravels Feb 2nd, 2009 09:37 AM

I buy handbags and oddball things like grocery bags. For everything else, there's TJ Maxx.

I've hauled Polish pottery back from Krakow only to find it at TJ Maxx. We were at a pottery factory in Deruta Italy checking things out and I commented to the manager that his things look familiar. He asked if I've been to TJ Maxx.... :)


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