"Well, Mom, it wasn't Europe..."

May 3rd, 2006, 05:26 AM
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I am just like you, artlover. But I agree with Pausanias that Mexico is as exotic a destination as you can find, with wonderful culture, art, and architecture. I love the same colonial towns he mentioned. You might like it, too.

The proximity of Mexico is probably why I've never been to Spain.
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May 3rd, 2006, 05:33 AM
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I tend to agree with you, artlover. Its not that I don't enjoy vacationing in the US, because I do, but I just don't find it as exciting as Europe. Perhaps this is because I never ventured out of the US (with the exception of Mexico) until about 4 years ago. Now that I've had a taste of Europe I'm addicted. I don't even really get excited about the prospect of a US vacation any more. I've been to most states, and I may enjoy myself immensely when I visit them on vacation, but the excitement level just isn't the same. We have considered going to Hawaii on several different occassions, but always nix the idea when I find a great airfare to Europe.

Maybe once I travel around the world more I will start craving US vacations again, but until then give me Europe!

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May 3rd, 2006, 06:05 AM
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Even if I had the $$$ to vacation in Europe every vacation, I would still choose not to do so. (Moving to Paris, well I'd probably do that.) Anyway, variety is the spice of life. We always take several trips to the beach to relax. We usually go to the Mts. for hiking & being outdoors in the Spring or Fall. I really try to have a 'varied palate' when it comes to vactions. And, it is also important to me to share places I've been w/my children as well as to explore new places (Montserrat most recently, Iceland hopefully very soon) So, as much as I love certain aspects of Europe, I would be negligent, & also quite unhappy, if I were to remove my varied US (& other)vacations each year.
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May 3rd, 2006, 06:18 AM
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There's no question that traveling to other parts of the world is fantastic. But, IMHO, so is traveling in the US. We're fortunate to live in a country with a tremendous variety of beautiful scenery. Not to mention wonderful cities that each have something unique to offer.
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May 3rd, 2006, 06:40 AM
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I love my trips to Europe, but they are "big". Take more planning and money and I do them only every other year.

While I can much more easily dash of for 10 days in the sun in Mexico or Hawaii with little planning. I also like San Francisco and Los Angeles, and enjoy New England, all places I have friends living to visit with.
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May 3rd, 2006, 02:46 PM
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Thanks for the feedback--good to know I'm not alone (figured I wasn't). Yes, I have been to Chicago--and liked the Art Institute--haven't been to Boston and probably should plan to. I lived in Mexico (Mexico City as an undergrad years ago) and have been back to visit, but have problems with the water and some other issues--wish I didn't as it's much closer and could practice my Spanish. And I do love going places in the NW for the gorgeous scenery--wouldn't want to be anyplace else in the summer (including Europe--too crowded for me then). Guess I'm just ranting...thanks for listening and being supportive!
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May 3rd, 2006, 03:50 PM
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My dear French friend, young, beautiful and quite intelligent, is back in France as I write, attempting to renew her H1B just so she can return to the USA. (She would be better off trying to come in illegally, it seems!) She loves it over here and is going to great lengths to stay longer.
I am in my 50s and have never been mugged.
I do not agree with 50% of Americans in their political beliefs, but I do not feel persecuted for mine.
Most Americans love to hear a "man with an accent"...
Do you see my point? This is a big country and there is plenty of room for you to visit...it is your narrow perspective that is preventing you!

My attitude about seeing the US is this:
At this point in my life, I want to go to Europe and beyond while I can. I love the history, culture, etc. I want to see something different than my own culture. At some point, years from now, I hope, I will visit the US, (even though I have a lot of the US, I am concentrating abroad right now) when I can no longer take the long flights, etc.

There is so much to see in this world. I want to see as much as I can...
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May 4th, 2006, 04:44 AM
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Hi A,

>Just got back from a "sunbreak" vacation ... to Tucson and when DD asked how it was I said something like, "Well, it was Ok..."

What did you expect to find in Tucson?

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May 4th, 2006, 07:02 AM
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For me, it's mostly the history. I love history, especially crumbling castles and ancient graveyards. I love standing in a spot and realizing a Roman probably stood there 1800 years ago. I love imagining how people lived in those stone huts 4000 years ago.

I also love the people in the places i've visited -- seeing how their lifestyles are different, and how they are similar, to mine. It fascinates me to compare languages, stores, food, drink, customs, music, etc.

I've traveled very little in the US. I've been raised in the east (Michigan and then Florida) and only been west a couple times. Yes, the areas are gorgeous, especially in San Francisco and Colorado mountains. I am duly impressed while I am there, but...

It isn't Europe.
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May 4th, 2006, 07:04 AM
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The aboriginal inhabitants of the Sonoran Desert had perfected a system of irrigation that supported their cultures in peace and prosperity when Paris and London were essentially clusters of huts filled with warring factions.

The history of Europe is the history of conflict. All those castles on the Loire and fortresses of the Rhine are very scenic, but don't forget that an enormous number of people died either attacking or defending them. The depredations in Arizona and New Mexico didn't begin until the Europeans arrived.

The remnants of prehistoric civilizations are visible today at such places as Mesa Verde, Casa Grande, and yes, Tucson.

Tucson also boasts the only remaining Titan Missile silo (which has been made into a museum) and some of the most advanced astronomical observatories on the planet. But their chief product remains solar radiation, which snowbirds flock to five months a year.
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May 4th, 2006, 07:12 AM
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Artlover- I can totally relate! I believe this usually happens once your travel standards become higher. Once you travel to exotic places, live in foreign countries, etc., everything in the US looks extremely commercialized & boring. If I can I avoid vacationing in the US at all costs (except for snowboarding). It's all the same to me! We may sound snooty to other not-well traveled people, but once you travel to amazing places, you always want to find something more adventurous or better! I'm heading to europe this summer, and hopefully Japan next year. After that Chile, Patagonia & a cruise to Antartica are next. Then Austrailia, New Zealand. When I tell this to my friends they look at me like I'm crazy 7 ask why I don't just go to Florida?!!!!!
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May 4th, 2006, 07:26 AM
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I agree that the comments that America does not have enough "history" is trivializing to the Native American impact to the nation. I myself have to remind myself of this sometimes, that there was in fact a U.S. before Europeans. The history here is different not better or worse.

Thanks for the reminder, Robespierre!
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May 4th, 2006, 07:30 AM
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>>When I tell this to my friends they look at me like I'm crazy 7 ask why I don't just go to Florida?!!!!!<<

You need a better class of friends.
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May 4th, 2006, 07:38 AM
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obxgirl - my friends don't travel half as much as I do - therefore they don't "understand"
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May 4th, 2006, 07:41 AM
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No, I don't feel like artlover, actually almost the opposite as I age. And I can look at old Churches and Art Museums for weeks on end myself.

And I can't believe I agree with Robespierre.

If you are a Europhile, especially a city lover, I can truly understand the appeal. But if you are looking for vistas and nature, varied as well, it's here. Or Alaska, or Mexico, or Canada.

With each trip to Europe, I have noticed the cemetaries more and more and more. And the War Memorials. We see the pretty, my parents saw the unpretty.
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May 4th, 2006, 07:45 AM
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What did you expect to find in Tucson?

I found a rattlesnake under my rental car once - scared the .... out of me! However, it did make a good "skin" for my cabin door.
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May 4th, 2006, 07:53 AM
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I usually parboil it, then sautée in butter with mushroome. It's a little like lobster, a little like game hen.

Since we find two or three a year in our garage, availability has never been a problem.
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May 4th, 2006, 10:34 AM
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I guess I found in Tucson what I expected--sun, but that's not enough for me for a vacation I guess. I remember being in the Chagall Museum when it was POURING outside and I kept thinking to myself, "Maybe it will never stop raining and I can stay here forever.! I loved being there so much.

DH also found a rattlesnake in Tucson--but he just took lots of pictures of it--maybe I can get him to post them? LOL

I don't think it's a question of "being a snob"--I think it's just that we're all different (and that's a good thing too!)
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May 4th, 2006, 10:40 AM
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Robespierre, an ancient drainage ditch isn't nearly as impressive to me as an ancient castle

I know the Native Americans were here 10,000 years ago, but they didn't built much that lastest. Theirs was a much more peaceful live (relatively speaking) than our European ancestors' was. Conflict creates invention, after all.

Also, my ethnic background is strongly tied to Europe, which also increases the pull of their history. I attended a Scottish highland games on my great-grandmother's ancestral lands -- that was COOL!

I have been to Arizona. I've seen the rock art out there, and some other amazing things. It still doesn't touch my heart the way seeing the Rock of Cashel did. Sorry
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May 4th, 2006, 11:47 AM
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Thank you, artlover, for bringing up this subject. I took a semester in college in France and I got hooked on Europe. It just seems that in Europe, there is a surprise around every street corner or bend in the road. I never get excited about trips to other locales. Once I get to the non-European locale, I really do enjoy myself (Las Vegas was a stretch, but I really loved Hawaii.) Later this month, we are going to Akumal, Mexico for a "beach" vacation and I am seriously wondering what I will do with myself - take long walks on the beach, snorkel etc., but no museums or history. (Yes, I know, the Mayan ruins, but it won't be Rome!) Now my husband says we have to go to Washington, D.C. for the kids' sake. Yawn.
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