it didn't do any good, Sheila - they lost, but with honour. NZ don't look the full shilling either - no try until the 54th minute.

I think they were just keeping their powder dry

I think they were just keeping their powder dry>>

we can dream, can't we? Having been at Twickenham on that glorious day nearly two years ago when we beat them, I know they can be beaten. Problem is, do they?

Hmm... well we've never beaten them; and, even when we've been ahead, it was like they were toying with us

The kiwis looked clumsy and in panic, not at all the assurance that we come to expect. Hard to chose between NZ (where I have family) and Argentina (and their historically numpty Presidents, attack on UK colonies etc). Still the boys in blue 'n white did well, just not good enough.

I agree with your comments about NZ, bilbo - in fact they looked best in the Hakka - it was all downhill from then, despite the tries.