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bill Mar 23rd, 2002 04:52 PM

United first class "suite?"
Anyone have any experience with United's specially equiped first class suite aircraft?<BR><BR>Any tips? <BR><BR>Also, what is the first class lounge like at CDG?

Bob Mar 23rd, 2002 05:02 PM

We flew United First from SFO to CDG last year in the new plane. The set up was outstanding. Not too many seats and service was very good. They escorted you from the 1st class lounge in SF to your seats. Go for it!

Cher Mar 24th, 2002 02:54 PM

This was FABULOUS!!! We flew September 15, 2001 from Denver to Paris. Having flown First Class on United many times to other destinations, I can actually say this was the first time I had a Fantastic meal!!<BR><BR>If you are traveling with a companion and want to sit together, the middle section is the only place where there are two seats together. The window seats are single.<BR><BR>Can not tell you about the lounge at CDG because it was closed due to 9/11.<BR><BR>

Keith Legg Mar 25th, 2002 04:32 AM

No experience of United First, but I did see the cabin in a 777 from Business Class last June from SFO to LHR. If you mean the "flat bed" type seats, they did look fantastic and appeared at least to go completely flat. If you are in a two, though, it could be difficult to have a conversation as the layout means that only the middle seats were in twos and you can't see your travelling companion!

richardab Mar 25th, 2002 05:49 AM

I have also flown this class from CDG to LAX and the service was truely amazing. Its like having a bed in the sky. There are lots of seat controls, videos, gourmet food and extras! The flight attendant will even 'make up' your seat for you when you turn it into a bed. Very nice. This is the way to fly!

richardab Mar 25th, 2002 05:50 AM

Oh, i forgot -- the first class lounge at CDG is small and very private. Good treats like cheeses, liquor, snacks, etc.

how Mar 25th, 2002 06:44 AM

Please refer to the post about "how much money the Fodorites make" and then tell us how you afford to fly first class if you pay for it yourself and not mooching off your padded expense accounts from some company that squanders the stockholder's money to send their high muckety mucks on first class junkets and thus eat into the profits.....ok tell us you posers.

hey Mar 25th, 2002 09:07 AM

Hey "Mr How"<BR><BR>If you traveled for a living you would also require comfort when on a 12 hour jet flight. Screwing the stockholder is the American way. I suppose that you will be mad to learn that all of us who fly for business get to keep all those frequent flyer miles and use them to go on FREE vacations. Not to mention that when we charge things on our airline miles credit cards we also get miles or other gifts for doing so... A trip to Europe for a frequent traveler can amount to about 35,000 frequent flyer miles earned. This includes charges and miles.<BR><BR>24,000 for R/T with 'gold' status withdouble miles (sometimes more!)<BR><BR>8,000 miles for the air ticket ($8000)<BR><BR>1,500 miles for hotel (5 nights @ $300)<BR><BR>650 miles for food charges ($130 a day)<BR><BR>500 misc charges<BR><BR>Just take 2 of these trip and you have enough fpr a free businnes class ticket to go on vacation.<BR><BR>All this and I make less than $100,000 a year!<BR><BR>

too Mar 25th, 2002 09:24 AM

Screwing the stockholder is the American way.<BR><BR>maybe this should be posted under the forum then explains why America is so wonderful and the leader of the world.<BR><BR>Sounds like business takes as much advantage of the stockholders as the gov't does of the citizens.<BR><BR>I'm sure Uncle Sam will defend you to the end.<BR><BR>Fly cheap, stay an extra day at a lesser hotel , give your FF miles back to your employer, then you can say you are doing it the "right" way. I don't blame you I blame your company for wasting shareholder just another way.

Diane Mar 25th, 2002 08:26 PM

Not everyone squanders their employer's money. I fly for business because it's necessary. I don't enjoy flying, but I do it because it is the practical and fastest way to get from place to place. Yes, my employer lets us keep our freq. flyer points. That's the payback for taking us away from our homes and families. It does not cost my employer one cent more. Also, I save points for all the credit card charges. And, I switch my phone service at least once a years. Again, these things do not cost anything additional for my employer. What's your problem?

too Mar 26th, 2002 02:01 AM

the problem was the phaase " Screwing the stockholder"" <BR>When you took the job you knew you would be away from your hame and with it, that's what you are paid for.

bill Mar 28th, 2002 08:33 PM

Thanks for your helpful replies.<BR><BR>Re: how's assumption that I actually paid the $10,000 per ticket for these tickets, guess again. I make a pretty modest living, but fly 40,000 miles a year for business. With silver (and last year gold) status, the bonus miles add up. Also, the airlines gave several additional bonuses when they were trying to attract customers.<BR><BR>add the extra miles hotels give, as well as credit cards, and that translates to enough miles to take my wife to Europe in 1st class for our 10th anniversary.<BR><BR>My company screws me in many ways, so it's nice to get something out of it.<BR><BR>

i agree Mar 28th, 2002 09:13 PM

I agree with Bill... My company also likes to figure new ways to screw me and take away benefits. When they do I just call the airlines and book and expensive flight to wherever I think I want to go and rack up thos FF miles. When all is said and done, I have a free vacation to europe too. Not to mention a trip to NYC or Chicago, accomodations in a kiss my a** first class hotel and dining at the best restaurants in the city. All on my good friend, the company. Try it sometime, its nice to eat in a restaurant that you normally wouldn't pay for yourself!

bill Mar 28th, 2002 11:00 PM

not so fast "i agree." I manage my own budget at my company, and fly, stay, and eat as cheaply as possible as long as it's comfortable. <BR><BR>But at the end of the day, I still think I should be able to keep my ff miles, and am thrilled to be able to use them for something like this (as opposed to an upgrade on a business trip).

Alberto Mar 29th, 2002 05:58 AM

Or you could work for a company like I do. One of the biggest and most successful in its field, a darling of the market, considered the creme de la creme, that treats it employees like crap. An attitude of confrontation at all times, and always poor mouthing how hard times are, even though they are posting record earnings and profits. We have been on a travel ban for a year now, not allowed to have any training, no business trips, no attendence at professional conferences, etc. BUT, the hot dogs at the top continue to spend money like water, travel first class at all times, or fly in private jets, and generally ignore how "poor" the company is. Before I joined this company I was, like most people, of the mind that it was top notch. What it is a house of cards and smoke, and one of these days the truth will come out.

John Mar 29th, 2002 03:48 PM

It amazes me how valid questions in this forum quickly turn into nationalistic, secular etc. etc. bashing.<BR><BR>It's no wonder that shows like Jerry Springer thrive. It certainly does not bode well for humanity.

Diane Mar 29th, 2002 07:38 PM

My goodness. It sounds like someone neds to look for a new job.

xxx Mar 29th, 2002 07:41 PM

a new job? but its true. when i am abused by my job, i go on a biz trip and spend their money!

xxx Mar 29th, 2002 08:11 PM

AND SCREW THE STOCKHOLDERS OF WHICH YOU ARE PROBABLY ONE..IF YOUR PENSION PLAN AND 401, are tied to your company.. Makes a whole lot of sense ...go screw yourslf..Ben Franklin said it was impossible .. he wasn't around in year 2000...Ben had a lot to learn!

xxx Mar 29th, 2002 08:20 PM

Don't worry, I work for one of the biggest companies in the world and they ain't gonna miss $10,000 or a few office supplies.

1st CLassq Mar 30th, 2002 08:00 AM

Back on topic everyone. A few years back a family member had a first class ticket to Europe because of frequent flyer miles, that they couldn't use. They gave it to me. I flew first class in and out of Europe and it was amazing! And I'll probably never get it again. I don't like flying, but I'd stay in the air a week if its international first class. There were only 4 of us with 2 flight attendants. The food was incredible and I truly don't know how 'cause I've never had good airline food, even on domestic first class. The bed thing, the confort kit, the personal video, any wine I wanted...Makes it hard to fly steerage now, but travel is worth it.

Shareholder Mar 30th, 2002 08:11 AM

What a depressing thread! If I knew any employee who felt this way in my company I would invite them to find another job. All of our employees in our pre-IPO company have a huge vested interest in the success of the business and we all fly coach all the time. And usually on Saturday because it costs a lot less. It's a few stinking hours. I often wondered how rich I'd have to be to justify spending that much on first (or even business class) tickets. I haven't figured out the answer.

Duke Mar 30th, 2002 11:08 AM

I love some of these stupid responses! Some of these people have no idea how business works or capitalism. They are the trolls that will never figure it out and will always complain about success and successful people. If you redistributed all the money in the US equally the top 5% would have all theirs back in a few years and the trolls would be broke again. The way to fly first class is simple: use your miles to upgrade. Never pay for it as it is too expensive. The way you get miles is to use your credit card for everything and pay it off 100% each month as the interest charge is robbery. I make a lot of money but I know how to handle it. The trolls do not and never will and we will always have to support them and their stupidity with higher and higher taxes.<BR>Figure it out people! Uncle Sam will not make you rich.

Michael Snowdon Mar 30th, 2002 12:30 PM

I have flown the first suite from Chicago to LAX, it was great. Seat is hard to get comfortable, and if over 6'2" it is hard to lay flat.<BR><BR>Will travel to Paris this year in United First.<BR><BR>Michael

bill Mar 30th, 2002 02:59 PM

Hard to get comfortable? Now you're giving me a bit of a pause. I assume you're referring to lying flat, which I don't think I'll do anyway.<BR><BR>Re: Duke, you're right if you are flying on a two class plane. You can't, at least not on United, upgrade to First, only to Business (unless you buy a business class ticket, which is way beyond my means). Also, unlike domestic flights, you can't upgrade from the lowest fare on a flight to Europe. That's why I saved up my miles (after cashing in for 2 1st class tix to Europe last fall, I've already earned another 70,000 miles).<BR><BR>Also, this thread is about the first class suite, which is only available on 777s and 747s, which are three class planes.

No thanks Mar 30th, 2002 03:05 PM

To use miles to upgrade from Economy to Business you have to buy unrestricted airfare. The difference between restricted and unrestricted economy to Paris (from SFO) is enough to pay for a week of hotels. Not a great trade off for me.

jim Apr 2nd, 2002 05:51 PM

Actually, Bill, at least on United, you can upgrade to business from a discounted fare, just not the lowest fare. <BR><BR>The last time I did it, the lowest fare from San Francisco to Paris was $550. I paid $750 and was able to upgrade to business class. But, as you say, for the two of us we paid an extra $400, so the tradeoff was business class vs. 2 nights hotel. We opted for business class.

cattleboy Apr 2nd, 2002 06:08 PM

I like to suck it up and fly in the cattle class with all the other deralicks - screw all the stuffy wall street clowns up in front - I've been upgraded a couple of times and i'll take the coversation of some down to earth "everyday working folks" who are glad to be headed somewhere than some wanna be CEO who biches cause they don't have the scotch he drinks! Just kidding but there is some trutht what i'm saying - just be glad your in a position to travel and enjoy it!!!!!!!<BR>

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