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Old Nov 21st, 2015, 10:47 AM
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I have no idea what "independent reading" is, but there is no reason to ignore assessments from embassies as a source of information. Based on what I see a lot of people posting here about their beliefs as to why terrorism exists in Europe, their understanding of the situation seems to me wide of the mark.

One gets the impression people just have a hard time dealing psychologically with information about terror threats and find some way to make it go away in their heads.
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Old Nov 21st, 2015, 11:44 AM
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"I have no idea what "independent reading" is"

LOL! Oh my goodness, for a little bit of levity among all this terror talk, I pictured the Irish lady who poses as Italian, sticking her index finger in her mouth, holding it out the window into the wind, and if the finger doesn't get shot off, it's safe to go outside.
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Old Nov 21st, 2015, 01:53 PM
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I'm a voracious reader of books, newspapers, and magazines, in both English and Italian. I feel as though I have better information about the situation in the countries I visit than what's available on the State Department country pages. I certainly don't minimize the risks of terrorism, but the risk is more to our way of life than to my own personal safety. There are any number of bigger risks to my own personal safety.

I suppose the Snob is laughing at me. I'm a citizen of three different nations, and don't need to pose about it. I never claim to be Irish, because although I'm a citizen by birth, I've never lived in the country. My parents were Irish. I do think I have a legitimate claim to being Italian, as this has been my only home for 17 years.

Call me a child of the 60s, but the idea of the State Department knowing where I am has never appealed to me. If anything happens to me, plenty of people know who to call.
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Old Nov 21st, 2015, 02:32 PM
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Actually, I was laughing at my perception of you.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 03:48 AM
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Given the large number of American friends I have who would not trust the State Dept to do anything right, why oh why would you listen to them about the security situation in Europe.

I would listen to local governments who, amazingly, are competent and well aware of the need to protect their own citizens let alone the visitors from across the pond.

I would also expect certain countries to be more competent and also vocal about how they deal with terrorism, unfortunately some have more first-hand experience of it than others while others have proven more decisive than others.

Taking that in the round, if the French say they think a state of emergency is correct at the moment I think they are correct. If the Brits are one state back from the top alert I think they are right.

What we have to understand is that this is the new normal. What should be worrying is that this new normal is actually incredibly safe for hundreds of millions of Europeans. You are more likely to get food poisoning in Rome than get slightly hurt by a bomb.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 05:10 AM
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"Given the large number of American friends I have who would not trust the State Dept to do anything right, why oh why would you listen to them about the security situation in Europe."

The population of the United States is 318 million. How many millions of American friends do you actually have?

You're an anonymous poster on an internet travel board. What on earth makes you think your opinion has any credibility? Why oh why should anyone listen to you?
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 05:13 AM
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>> Warnings of terroristic acts are about as useful as advance warnings of earthquakes.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 06:32 AM
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"Given the large number of American friends I have who would not trust the State Dept to do anything right, why oh why would you listen to them about the security situation in Europe."

As a former Sate Dept employee, I am well aware that it is far from infallible. However, it does maintain a network of embassies and consulates throughout the world, each of which builds relationships with the local law enforcement, military and security agencies. I would not entirely dismiss their findings.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 08:15 AM
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" I would not entirely dismiss their findings."

Nor would I, but I would listen more closely to a European government's views about their situation than a person siting in Washington, just too many filters getting in the way.

Please I'm not saying don't listen to your own government, I'm saying listen to the local government more seriously.

Perhaps you do not remember when Israel was shelling Bethlehem for a variety of reasons and a BBC camera man was pinned down with his camera so kept rolling while an attack rolled in. Then into the middle of the muddle came two Japanese tourists both pushing their large bags. "the Japanese government told us the Middle East was quiet" ......
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 08:45 AM
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Too funny but, yes, the farther from the source the less reliable.

That is why the safety information, compiled by the embassies and posted on the State Dept website can be very helpful. In my day (pre-internet), we maintained an information sheet which contained similar information. It was quite detailed, sometimes even mentioning specific streets or neighborhoods to avoid. It is also true that due to an excess of caution, some of the dangers may be overstated.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2015, 10:04 AM
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"Please I'm not saying don't listen to your own government"

But that was precisely what you were saying.

Passive-aggressive behavior typically requires medication.
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