U K Shelves Ambitious Rail Improvements

Jul 1st, 2015, 12:49 PM
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People complain about there not being enough high speed infrastructure throughout the country and cite the 60s Beeching line closures as a disaster but when expansion is proposed there are instant complaints about what it will do to the countryside>>

apropos of not much, we used to live in the house in Kent that Dr Beeching lived in, before he moved to East Grinstead, which co-incidentally was where the line ended after the "cuts".

I always assumed that he had a close friend or relation who lived in Uckfield because that's where the other branch of the same line out of London ended.
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Jul 1st, 2015, 01:47 PM
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I like that idea Ann! A few miles south of where I live used to be the least used station on the whole of the tube network - Blake Hall. It had (depending on which figures you believe) somewhere between 6 and 17 people per day using it. I love the though that there could be a station in the middle of nowhere for the convenience of just half a dozen people - very British. It closed in the 1980s.
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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:00 PM
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Beeching is much amligned by rail loving folks but many of those branch lines also had few passengers on them and it the local regional does not wish to subsidize such service as some have done why should the U.K. as a whole -I'm a rail nut but buses are more practical often on sparsely used branch lines - taking folks to the main lines that serve the whole country and should IME be made up to current European standards which they ain't now - I've never seen a British trains as nice and modern and as fast as those routinely now tooling around Spain (where pop density is not nearly that of England I would think), Germany, Netherlands, Belgium, France and EVEN Italy where the pain use to be on the train but no more.

Cross-Rail is getting constructed - well have beenfor a few decades now - let's hope it works - Paris has had several such RER trains for a few decades now as do most German large towns.
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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:25 PM
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RM67 - Teesside Airport station had 8 passengers last year. And back in the 1980s I remember a station between Seaton Carew and Billingham which had 2 trains a day and on which I never saw anyone useing it
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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:26 PM
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A few miles south of where I live used to be the least used station on the whole of the tube network - Blake Hall. It had (depending on which figures you believe) somewhere between 6 and 17 people per day using it. I love the though that there could be a station in the middle of nowhere for the convenience of just half a dozen people - very British. >>

RM, these are [or were when we lived there] very heavily used commuter lines from Surrey/Sussex into London, which originally went through to the south coast like the ones to Brighton and Eastbourne. ok a few stations weren't that popular but a lot of people drove to them to get into London.
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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:41 PM
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Greatham Station - pretty much as I remember it

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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:47 PM
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My brother lives at the end of the Tarka line in Devon - I was so tickled the first time I went on that to find it had 'request stops' like a bus!
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Jul 1st, 2015, 02:53 PM
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Ann - I think it's generally accepted today that the cuts were a terrible idea. What surprises me is the almost malicious manner in which track and platforms were often removed immediately to make it as difficult as possible to reinstate the routes at some point in the future.

Dotheboyshall - it's nota proper station without a kiosk selling bacon rolls and tea
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Jul 1st, 2015, 03:10 PM
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Greatham Station - pretty much as I remember it>

In France it would be called a "halt" not a station - one thing I love about proper British rail stations is the tea kiosks with snacks - just love to get some tea and sit and watch the trains well if not blow by roll by.

Don't get me wrong - I love British trains but in part it's because they are so so iffy in many ways - 11:45 the 'train approaching on platform 2 is the delayed 10:20 from Bright to Bath - folks with discounted train-specific tickets would have to wait for their train but later scheduled trains may well come thru before theirs.

Train staff often seem beleaguered on board packed trains - again I love British trains but not for the right reasons to most.

I hope even the Torries will sometime see the benefits of a true high-speed rail network like France, Germany and Italy have - an exonomic engine in its own right even if subsidized - a public utility and should be treated and funded as such.

There is also the green factor - airplanes are heavy heavy polluters - knock all the planes off say London to Edinburgh and you have reduced teh carbon footprint as well as noise problems around airports - London may not need continual airport expansion if domestic flights were turned into train trips as many in France and Europe have been.

Take the Chunnel for example - Eurostar gets the vast majority of London-Paris/Brussels travel - flights are few but without the high-speed aspect folks would still fly.

and again the beleagured railways themselves - coping with twice as many folks with an outdated infrstructure.

and yes the U.S. is the #1 advanced country embarassment for using trains instead of planes. Our head in the sand is much much worse.
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Jul 13th, 2015, 10:41 AM
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Last night on Prime Minister's Question Time (rebrodcast from last week) Cameron had to field tough questions as to why the Trans-Penine line improvements between Birmingham and Leeds were being scrubbed - irate MPs said how awful conditions were on that line - think they called it the Robin Hood Line but not sure nor sure if so why?

anyway Britain cuts back on rail improvements again - sorely needed in that case it seems.
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