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Two older American women travelling in Paris? Are we tagets for muggings or purse snatching!

Two older American women travelling in Paris? Are we tagets for muggings or purse snatching!

Old Nov 10th, 2004, 08:01 PM
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Dear Mimi, I understand exactly what you are saying. Perhaps I get to frustrated with questions about crime etc. I believe you understand my frustration.

But Mimi, even the first time I went to Europe, I did not dwell on the terrible "what if's".

Maybe I need to be more understanding of peoples fears. I just have a hard time understanding why some American's think that going to Europe is such a threat. Maybe you can enlightened me and other as I know that you have traveled so much more than I have.

I hope that I do not have my "head in the sand" so to speak.

Mimi, can you explain better than I can why it is not necessary to worry and fret so much about traveling to Europe.

With best regards, or as they say in Italia, con affetto.
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Old Nov 10th, 2004, 08:15 PM
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Boston is very much like Paris when it comes to tourists. We have so many here that walking is impossible when I'm in a hurry. They walk three abreast. Stop in the middle of the sidewalk to look up at a window display I have seen them almost getting their wallet s or handbags opened and have yelled out to "Watch your Wallets." I have seen a woman in Harvard Square book store who was wearing a back pack scream out that someone lifted her small hand bag out of it while she was book browsing. Now she was a local. I've seen woman leaving their handbags and packages on the floor in Filene's basement and hearing them shout, oh my god, my bags are gone. I found a bag last week there and turned it in. A few minutes later the careless woman claimed it. All I'm saying it is the same everywhere but some seem to have the mentality gap when it comes to travel. Like some young women who think it's romantic to have a fling with a Greek fisherman, or a Roman waitor but in their old town wouldn't think of it with a local. I hope I'm making sense what i'm trying to say.
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Old Nov 10th, 2004, 08:37 PM
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Dear Mimi, oh yes, I understand exactly what you are saying. Truly I do.

Your posting have always made sense to me, but this last one that you just posted made troppo sense.

Well, I imagine that there will be poster after poster asking about thefts, pickpocketers, rude waiters and etc. etc. in the future.

So my wish is that first time travelers to Europe would realize that yes, the language, a bit of the culture, can be a confusing but that there is no more danger or perhaps less of a danger than in the USA.

Happy travels everyone!
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Old Nov 10th, 2004, 08:55 PM
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Hi Travelwoman,

Well, I'm no world traveler...most of my travels have been spent throughout the U.S. and Caribbean however last year I went to Paris and Italy for the first time...alone. I was 33 at the time. I read advice from sites like this and guidebooks. I had no problems and of course hope for the same when I return in December. I just kept a small purse over my shoulder/across the chest with some small money and then a money belt with anything else...passport or copy. Just be alert. My french teacher just told me on Saturday that she lived in France for a long time but was recently on the metro and 2 or 3 gypsies came up near her and a small child tried to grab her purse (they were unsuccessful) however a they did get a wallet of a friend of hers. It really wasn't so much the money as it was a real hassle she said.
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Old Nov 10th, 2004, 09:26 PM
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IMHO travelwoman is about as authentic as MK2. What do the rest of you think?
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Old Nov 10th, 2004, 10:56 PM
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travelwoman - you'll be fine. Your friend simply needs to follow your lead. If she doesn't, then she will learn. You might consider printing this thread and showing it to her.

Nellyanne's full of beans. Statistically, a person is more likely to be a victim of their own pocketknife or mace if they aren't well-trained. As in, currently, a self-defense student or instructor. I like to carry a "decoy" purse with cosmetics only and carry my valuables on my person.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 05:56 AM
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If you are ugly the thieves and pickpockets will surely pass you by.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 07:01 AM
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Really interesting points in this thread. Just adding some observations from a summer trip to Paris in July where we traveled with a large group.

-There were several pickpocket victims. All could have been prevented; wallets were stolen from "fanny packs" in a line for the Eiffel Tower.

-One woman was pickpocketed twice in one day!

-My fiance and I were walking with some group members who proceeded to yell in loud voices to each other that "we're going to the ATM now to get some money!" We broke off from the group because we looked like targets by association.

-A man in our group took out his wallet and put it on the counter as he was checking his email on the hotel computer - the wallet was swiped.

The shocker? All the victims live in New York City! In Paris, we saw many New Yorkers behave in ways they'd never even think about at home. Still don't know why!!!

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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 07:11 AM
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>In Paris, we saw many New Yorkers behave in ways they'd never even think about at home. Still don't know why!!! <

It is a universal rule: Tourists leave their minds at home.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 07:34 AM
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I travel with a normal pocketbook, as mentioned, Parisian women all carry a purses too. I use either a large tote, or a small pouch, both are sturdy leather and worn close to my body.

I believe the trick is to keep your wits about you. Purse snatchings are more common to crowded places and tourist sites. I have only been to Europe 5 times so far, but have never encountered any problem of this kind.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 07:44 AM
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Well, hunnym, I live in NYC, and I can definitely understand why people act that way. First, personally, I'm pretty absent-minded, and actually, when I'm in NYC, I'm not all that careful (I'm actually quite cavalier), though I'm generally well aware of my surroundings.

When I get on a trip, there're many things on my mind. I need to worry about getting from one place to another. I'm looking around at wonderful sights. I'm not necessarily going to be more vigilant, even though I try to. In fact, on a recent trip, my passport and some money slipped out of my pocket without my knowing (I did get it back).

My mom was pickpocketed once on a Paris Metro. In retrospect, it could have been prevented. We hope that we've learned our lesson, but we really can't guarantee that it won't happen again. It's really very easy to get distracted when you're not familiar with your surroundings.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 07:49 AM
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ARE YOU GOING TOBE FLASHING THAT YOU TWO ARE AMERICANS AND EASY TARGET..Just act normal and go with the flow of locals...
You got to be careful when riding the METRO, keep an eye on purses, do not flash expensive jewerly and walk away from suspicious people or places if you feel uneasy......
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 08:25 AM
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cigalechanta:
Boston is no Paris! I lived there for three years while attending law school. The weather is awful, the streets are dark, most of the city closes at sunset, that transit system is clackety and you must step up a few feet to ride on some of the lines. v Worse yet, the people are mean and cold. Oh those New Englanders are an awful lot. You also forget that they carried that ugly Puritan steak over. Oh if only Loius XVI had put his money up, we would all be free of those horrid people on the hill!
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 08:52 AM
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I don't think nasty nelly is getting any at home or anywhere else! Poor thing!
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 08:58 AM
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You obviously haven't been here in a long time. The inner city is now mostly all young rich people from across the ocean who can afford the hi-realestate prices.that is turn brought in the Hi-end boutiques like Chanel, Gucci, etc. There are very modern cars on the T that announce your stop. Closes at sunst? I guess all thos people eating at the Armani café below my window that kept us awake on a hot summers nighttil !1am was a dream. Summers are lovely here, true winter is cold but when the fresh snow falls, the Public Garden likes like a lacy valentine and the blue robbins sitting on the snow-covered trees look like blue Christmas ornaments. No, it's not Paris, I was comparing crime events. Sorry you had an unhappy time here.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 09:17 AM
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Sorry if this is not true I apologize befor ehand ....

but have to ask are travelwoman and nellyanne and the same..just talking to each other like multiple personalities
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 09:22 AM
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indie, very preceptive, nothing gets by you, does it?
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 09:26 AM
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I'm just scratching my head trying to figure out how those Puritans carried that ugly steak over......it must've been a mess by the time it arrived in Boston.
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 09:39 AM
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Good point, 111op. Too many other things to think about in a foreign city.

Maybe because New Yorkers' guard is down in bigger cities because they are so used to nothing bad happening to them at home, also a big city...

Or maybe Ira's right!!!
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Old Nov 11th, 2004, 09:54 AM
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What steak?
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