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Turkish Culture Due to History, not Nature

Old Jun 16th, 2020, 09:34 AM
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Old Jun 25th, 2020, 08:52 AM
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Very sad: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-against-time/

(But... Assyrians in Turkey today??)
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Old Jul 17th, 2020, 01:17 AM
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Not much improvement here in Turkey.

- Covid-19 is still active, around 1,000 new cases and twenty death each day.
- Exporting TL became expensive due to new unwritten regulations. Hence, do not buy TL anywhere in the world before coming to Turkey.
It is best to bring USD or Euro and exchange in Turkey. Check free market and bank rates on the web before doing that.
The bad rates may apply to your ATM Turkish Lira withdrawals with your Bank card within Turkey.

- Turkish government seems to be preparing to withdraw from European Convention to Prevent Violence in the Family. Their justification is that giving women the right to apply for protection my break up families. Islamic/Anatolian culture in action.

- Turkish Airlines started domestic flights, selling all seats without care for social distancing.

- All opposition parties except the predominantly Kurdish one appear to have accepted the new status quo imposed by the leading party.
Leading party and its partner have a solid majority in parliament whose main job is to accept presidentila decrees and pass them as laws. The opposition parties can only manage to cricize, ask questions which are never answered and then bow to the wishes of the parliamentary majority. Afterwards the media report that the law has been voted in by the parliament.

We took a one night trip to Bolu and Seven Lakes Nature Park on Eser's birthday.
And we are planning to go to Istanbul for a week or so near the end of July, so that our tiny Iznik home will be available for DD and her family. This will be our first return to Istanbul since
March 13.

Iznik museum has finally opened, including an open air display of various large pieces over the filled up area of Byzantine remains.

Moslems continue to pray to the Byzantine saint Sophia at the three Hagia Sophia churches at Trabzon, Iznik, and recently, Istanbul which was converted to mosques without changing their names.

EC continues to have travel advisories for citizens against visiting Turkey.

We took one more short trip to stanbul, 11.V.2011
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Old Jul 17th, 2020, 05:59 AM
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Thanks for the update on your news, OC. I wonder if men are ever the victims of domestic violence in Turkey. Would allowing them the right to apply for protection break up families? perhaps it's the violence that's the problem, not the sex of the victim.

I read elsewhere that a NASA scientist was finally released and allowed to return to the US after 4 years imprisonment after it was alleged he was involved in the plot. I hope you enjoy your trip back to Istanbul and stay safe while you're there.
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Old Aug 14th, 2020, 01:31 AM
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Unfortunately, Covid 19 is still raging. Also unfortunately, the government wishing to recoup tourism income and save the resorts, has opened them up and the beaches are almost as bad as Blackpool.

The ten day trip to Istanbul was rather depressing, except for the lunch at unanin Yeri: just next to the Kandilli ferry landing. Horse mackerel, cod, calamari and eggplant salad with a home made souffle to top them.

The incumbent continues to lose face and votes.

He is also pushing against Greece in the Mediterranean, and Emirates, KSA, Egypt, France and Russia backed Libyan warlord, while Syria and Northern
His relationship with Putin and Trump is questionable. Biden is not likely to pander to his politics.

Interesting video from Deutche Welle in Turkish about the five thousand year street supposedly connecting King Solomon's palace to the city with women entrepreneurs setting up successful shops, butiques cafes and visited even by the conservative inhabitants.


Iznik is also modernizing fast this year. Many women riding scooters, bicycles or walking with shorts and fewer with the Islamic head dressing.

The local tomato, peach, grape, melon, watermelon season started at Iznik. Bought fifty pounds of Roma tomatoes for just slightly over $4, already made eight jars of sauce with sweet green and red peppers and started the boiling process for tomato paste.
The peaches are tree ripened, watermelons as red and sweet as could be.
We have the last of the fresh hazelnuts, but expect fresh walnuts to hit the markets soon.

Whem my younger daughter and family get here from Chicago, I want to take them to a mountain village with a nice forest, canyon, stream, waterfall and great tomato picking at farms.
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Old Aug 14th, 2020, 06:42 AM
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So glad you have a refuge to escape the chaos, OC. And wonderful produce too - 50lbs of toms for less than $5 is amazing - the best tomato deal I'd ever seen before that was 4kgs for €1 in Spain. I also bought 3kgs of potatoes in the supermarket for 39p a couple of weeks ago which was a tremendous bargain. I wish we had home grown water melons and peaches but even with global warming that's unlikely to happen, though where we used to love in Kent there was a tremendous hazelnut crop, called cobnuts locally.

Enjoy your family trip to the mountains.
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Old Aug 16th, 2020, 02:53 AM
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I would avoy Turkey this year, I heard that is not safe for tourists. They have not been carefull with Covid-19 where are hiding a lot of cases!

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I'm constantly surprised by the archaeological discoveries in Turkey. They've just found a Roman dam in Konya Province - https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ro...-turkey-157697
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The standard of reporting in Hürriyet Daily News has really gone downhill over the last few years. This is a terrible article where the photo is of Buncuklu Tarla which is about 200 miles away from Urfa - https://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/ex...mystery-158004
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Old Sep 13th, 2020, 09:44 AM
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Croesus, The former owner was forced to sell all nis media group to a loyal Erdogan supporter who does what he is supposed to do. They replaced all the better journalists with family and friends who toe the same line with no care for ability, expertise, intellect, education. This is the best of what you get.
Sabah, Milliyet newspapers are the same. The only ones who have managed to escape harassment, threats, although faced with high fines and jail sentences, have been Birgun, Sozcu and Cumhuruyet and to some extent, the liberal/nationalist Yeni Cag.

In terms of national TVs you only have Halk TV which is uneecided between socialism and nationalism and Tele 1 which is one man's valiant effort to stay alive.

There is now a huge, ungainly structure of nepotism, an intricate web of interests kept afloat by not so delicate lies and ties in an environment of almost total control of the judiciary and security that the incumbents cannot afford to lose the next national election. And interestingly, it is all out in the open. There was no way for them to hide anything considering the globalism of social media and the abilities and interest of foreign intelligence agencies.

Turkey is a major manufacturer of drones. tall tales, threats, mobbing, conjuration of archaic desert beliefs and life styles. Too many genies have been released from lamps similar to the one Aladdin found not that long ago in these lands.

One of my fears is that something may flare up in Eastern Mediterranean involving Syria, Lebanon, Israel, Egypt, Libya, Cyprus and/or Greece over control of energy resources or continental shelves or islands, or just plain stupidity that seems to effect most of the World these days. Not due to incompetence and stupidity alone but as a means to save necks.

I am too old to wait for the apocalypse but my progeny will definitely witness some bad times due to high levels of strife, earth movements, climate change and social and political upheavals on national and international levels. My Nostradamus like abilities do not foretell of anything very good. And that is not only Turkey!
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One More Travel Story From Another Chelebi 1

Roads in Eastern Turkey :

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Near the Iranian border


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Near the Armenian border


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Near the Georgian border

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Old Oct 21st, 2020, 04:27 AM
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Thanks for the pix. Wish I could be there.
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Old Oct 30th, 2020, 06:33 AM
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Thursdaysd, nice to see you here. Corona news are bad, even at Iznik.

Today we had an earthquake 19 k off the Aegean coast. near Seferihisar, a designated Slow Town. Not a huge one, at 6.9 mag but still some buildings collapsed and a small tsunami formed.
Izmir suffered twenty one smaller aftershocks within two hours of the big one. The breaking fault line was about thirty kilometres. Which means that this is not the bad one experts have been advising against.

All Turkish politicians and the media are waiting on edge for the results of the United States elections. The ruling party and leader hope for a Trump win. Opposition do not declare anything but probably are offering prayers for Biden. Either way, Turkey will have a hard time to correct the perspectives of the United States Congress and Senate regarding allegiances, human rights, freedoms, international political mistakes, misguided military purchases and deals, etc.

We are in Iznik, on the edge of a medium sized storm. Have stocked up with fifteen kilos of dry cat food in addition to our standard hoard of stuff that our small refrigerator and larder can hold.
No power shortages, hence our heating with gas is excellent, especially since we had maintenance for the unit just yesterday. Made the mistake of not buying a few large sacks of wood for the fireplace which can work as a fallback heating system for the small house.

I wish all the readers Covid free months while celebrating this holiday season. Just beware the Hobgoblin!

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Old Oct 31st, 2020, 05:27 AM
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OC, thanks for the update from Iznik, was telling DH about the earthquake this morning. Covid has put a damper on all our plans for this year, looks like it may not change for a while, definitely till mid-2021 at least. Take care and stay safe, hopefully we’ll get a chance to visit your beautiful country again in the years ahead...
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Glad to hear that you are OK OC, I was worried when I heard about the earthquake! Good luck with the storm, we just had some high winds from hurricane Zeta, but nothing like the problems down in Louisiana.
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Old Nov 1st, 2020, 04:01 AM
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The earthquake damage turned out to be quite a lot more than originally visualized.
Basically there were 28 building which were damage, all built in the same area with bad ground conditions and should never have received permit,
The body count is about seventy dead and two hundred odd injured.
This is all in Izmir, There is also some tsunami water damage and some collapse at Seferihisar which is much closer to the epicenter of the earthquake.
Sone friends in Istanbul say they also felt the ground shaking, but knowing their age and life style, I think they would feel the ground shaking daily for other reasons.

All the media is about miracle rescues and nothing on international events, US elections, Armenia and Azearbaijan and Syria all forgotten.
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Corona cases increasing but no lockdown in sight. News is that in Iznik town and surrounding villages there may be as many as four hundred positives.

Even if one is an atypical case, he can still pass it on. I mean the virus. Eser has been telling me that I am "atypical" since we married forty two years ago.
But, I doubt I have passed my idiosyncrasies to anyone (well, except for a few of them to younger daughter.)

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OC - it was such a relief to know that you and Eser are safe whilst mourning those lost. I read earlier today that a 70 year old man had been pulled from the rubble in Iznik after 3 days which is surely an unimaginable experience. I'm sure that it has featured heavily in your press for the reasons you have given.

Will you still be able to get some firewood? we too are stockpiling [a bit] due to covid lockdown and impending Brexit doom and it's very difficult to know what to get. Fresh veg and fruit are likely to be in short supply in the winter which probably isn't a problem for you. I don't know how many cases there are around here [not as many as in the rest of the UK] but in general people are very good about wearing masks for shopping etc. I hope that you are careful too - we need you as our eye on Turkey and all things Turkish.
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Annhig, thank you for your concern.
Neither firewood nor fresh vegetables is a problem here.
We found someone who will bring us three large sacks (about 20 kilo each) of dry wood from last year and one sack of kindling which is basically remnants of sawn
wood for making vegetable crates. In fact, if I could bend down long enough to pick and stuff pieces in front of any one of the thirty or so crate makers, I could get a sack for about
one Pound instead of the two I have to pay to the guy who brings it.

The Turkish Lira has really slumped beginning of last week, hitting a record low, but started picking up a little with the forecasted Biden win. Then, the Turkish Central Bank Director was encouraged to resign (?) just after midnight Friday, with the Minister of Finance (the President's son-in-law) advertising his resignation on Instagram in bad script and with religious quotations.]

This Monday, the markets opened with Turkish lira gaining, with the gains reaching 6% by one PM.
My conspiracy vein started pumping:
- Did Trump offer something to the Turkish president to help him out of the economic slump? And what did he get in return?
- Was it Biden and his shadow administration who promised help to certain factions in Turkey through the United States defense industry, congress and or senate, through the Turkish opposition using IMF or World Bank?.
- Are the incumbents preparing the grounds for buying cheap FX for a future bail-out?
- Is the Turkish population reducing fast due to pandemic deaths, so that more resources will be available for the survivors, strengthening the economy?
- Are the powers here and above telling me that I know nothing and should never follow my instincts regarding the markets?.

More interesting but difficult times in the World and in Turkey. Let us hope for the best for all.
And let it be a win-win situation for all..
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I'm pleased that at least you will be fed and warm, OC. Here I've been reading about the price rises that face us should our dear leader fail to agree a trade deal with the EU, though by the looks of it he has managed to sabotage anything that's agreed anyway with a combination of indolence and hubris. Plus he has now to self-isolate for 14 days as he has been in contact with someone who has tested positive; i have absolutely no idea whether that improves the situation or not!
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