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Turkish Culture Due to History, not Nature

Old Nov 5th, 2019, 11:10 PM
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Hi Jeb,
Sirince will not be exciting in the Winter.
Drive to Alacati will be too long and not worth it.
There is a Saturday market in Selcuk. It is not as big as the Alacati one but will have similar stands. You can take off for Pamukkale after seeing the market.on the 28th.
You may be able to do Ephesus and Prienne on the 27th or just do Ephesus and other Selcuk locations.

The travertines of Pamukkale and Hierapolis (make sure to be careful when you visit the gateway to Hades) may allow you time for a quick visit to Aphrodisias during the drive to or from Pamukkale. But it will all be very rushed.
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Old Nov 5th, 2019, 11:30 PM
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Re: prehistory - an 11,300-year-old neolithic "temple" discovered in Mardin province - Ancient temple found in Mardin
How cool! Thanks, Croesus.
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Old Nov 9th, 2019, 06:05 AM
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It appears they're excavating several sites in the area of the Ilisu dam on the Tigris. Here's another - Ancient sewer system unearthed in Mardin
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Old Nov 16th, 2019, 12:07 AM
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Heart-warming video of the joy of a Turkish woman celebrating her divorce after a three and a half year long struggle :

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Old Nov 22nd, 2019, 05:16 AM
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Nothing new regarding safety for tourists who stick to the regular touristy places.

Lots of issues for the common person. Cost of living up and up and up
Unemploymen over the roof.
New taxes
New laws against personal privacy, although they really do not need the laws to listen to phones and track all social media.
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Old Nov 22nd, 2019, 11:55 PM
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In response to Dom, who wrote "the end of February. I have always wanted to go to Istanbul but have been put off by the turmoil there over the last few years. We will be traveling with our 17 year old daughter so safety is the utmost priority. As of now, do you see any safety issues for us? We would most likely stay in the old town area or Beyoglu."

A bit of a misconception, because there has been absolutely no turmoil in istanbul since 2015.

Coming to your question :

- There are currently no safety issues in Istanbul and if any pop up, I will write about it on this thread.

- Having said that, parts of the Beyoglu district arenot the most recommended places for wandering around at night.
Yet, I live in Ayaspasha,an upscale part of the district. Cihangir is the fun bohemian part of Beyoglu.Taksim is safe but too touristy.
CVK Park Bosphorus is probably the best hotel in the district.

- - If you were staying at Tesvikiye at maybe Park Hyatt, your daughter would be fine out alone at anytime during day and night shopping, people watching dining out, etc.

- February may be the coldest month in Istanbul and can be wet (rain or snow) so be prepared for -5 to +10 Celsius temperatures. If sunny, it will be brisk but nice for sightseeing, including a short cruise on the Bosphorus.

Winter adjectives for Beyoglu district hotel locations:

Taksim cold and windy
Cihangir warm and friendly
Istiklal exciting in the day, foreboding at night
Gumussuyu and Ayaspasa, Modern, European, hilly
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Old Nov 23rd, 2019, 06:01 AM
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So for two full days would you stay in Cihangir or somewhere in the old town area? Nightlife is not important but being able to have dinner at a good restaurant is.
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Old Nov 23rd, 2019, 08:40 AM
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Odie1 Cihangir will give you good food in the area or access to it. Better than the touristy Sultanahmet.
It is reasonably priced. There is no negotiation or haggling and no carpet sellers or goldsmiths out to get you as in the old town.

By the way Beyoglu is not called "old town" Old town is the historic peninsula. Cihangir is next to Istiklal in beyoglu district.
Has lots of places to eat for locals, including pizza, Mis Piza, Fish, Savoy Balik, kebap restaurants, cafes, bakeries small neighborhood stores, etc.

The area between Istiklal and Cihangir is called Chookoorjooma and is home to antique shops.
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Old Dec 15th, 2019, 04:28 AM
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Interesting times everywhere in the world.
And, in Turkey :
- Turkey builds a large mosque in Djibouti
- Turkey rented a huge tract of arable land in Sudan for 99 years and will be importing the produce from that land, giving 20% of the income to Sudanese government
- One new political party has announced entry to the scene and a second one to follow within a few weeks. Both are founded by former colleagues and partners of Erdogan
as well as being founders of the ruling party and former prime ministers and ministers.
- The mayors from the main opposition party have reduced municipal waste and are doing very well despite government attempts to hinder them.
- Forty or more women are murdered by their former or current husbands, lovers or other family members each month in Turkey.
- Women's rights protester who only did the Chilean dance in the streets to request the law makers and givers to increase the penalties for bodily injury, sexual harassment and mobbing were dragged away and jailed.
- Turkish occupation of part of Syria is not in the news anymore. There seem to be no safety repercussions or concerns on that issue.
- "The economic crisis is the fault of external forces," is the common perspective, (external powers can be USA, EU, Russia, China, Greece, Iran, israel, Saudi Arabia depending on your beliefs, views, intelligence and/or knowledge.

Prices continue to go up. Hotels and restaurants and public services are all much higher but incomes stayed at low levels. Is this a potentially explosive situation?
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Old Jan 6th, 2020, 12:45 AM
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So far, there has been no concern among tourists and tourism service providers due to the assassination of Iranian general which resulted in escalation of USA-Iran conflict.
However, it is a good idea to avoid the areas where there are US bases like Malatya, Adana and environs as well as the districts where the US Embassy and consulates are situated in Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir and Adana.

the weekend after the assassination, Turkish Lira started losing against all major currencies, leading to further hardship for the low income groups but causing a boom for daily simple border trade from Bulgaria and Greece
to Turkey. The exact numbers are over 2.3 million Bulgarian and 570k Greek entrees on days of weekly markets in Turkish border towns

Year's first snow fall has covered the fairy chimneys of Cappadocia.

Istanbul is rainy and with daytime highs of 45-48 F and night time temperatures of 39-44 F. Windy conditions make sea commute difficult.

Gobeklitepe is on its way to become one of the top tourist attractions.

there have been some more finds in areas where a Celtic kingdom had existed.

I strongly recommend the tiny village museum at Alpaslan, and Boraba(o)y lake a short drive from historic Amasya for Spring visitors and hikers.

Finally, a red flamingo tagged in Italy and not seen last seven years, appeared at Karacabey floodplain forest that we visited last Summer.


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Old Jan 6th, 2020, 04:35 PM
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Thanks for the update, otherchelebi, and Happy New Year!
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Thanks otherchelebi! Still planning on a mid February arrival for a few days in Istanbul before heading to Jordan (unless there are big changes).
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Old Jan 12th, 2020, 10:54 AM
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Early Bronze Age baby pacifiers discovered at lowest of five levels at Norik 2 Mound, in BIngol, East Central Turkey.
This is from a Turkish daily, showing photographs of the four and a half thousand year objects:
https://www.haberturk.com/norik-hoyu...ulundu-2557863

A few months before, wheat stored circa 2-3 thousand BC. was also discovered in the region.

The digs are continuing despite the Winter weather, because the region will be flooded by Kalehan 2 Dam.
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Old Jan 12th, 2020, 11:31 PM
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Cool! Thanks, otherchelebi!
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Old Jan 13th, 2020, 08:07 AM
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Forgot to wish all posters and lurkers Happy New year!!!!
Thanks for following.
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Old Jan 13th, 2020, 07:27 PM
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Forgot to wish all posters and lurkers Happy New year!!!!
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Old Jan 14th, 2020, 01:40 AM
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Hippies revisit iconic Istanbul pudding shop

For me, those were the days I would try to save the world, argue with the American Military Attache to Istanbul about capitalism and socialism, guide tourist groups in the historic peninsula and play Risk, poker and Bridge with my buddies.
I even wrote a long poem about the plight of the Anatolian women.
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Good one. I always have a bowl of mercimek corbasi in The Pudding Shop when I'm in Istanbul, as a toast to those old pathfinders.
My first time was in February '82.
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Old Jan 28th, 2020, 10:53 AM
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Some info on earthquakes in Turkey.

- The last one was just three days ago in East central Turkey at Elazig. 6.8 magnitude, over 2000 buildings damaged badly, 41 dead and couple of hundred injured.
This was on the Northern fault line and had been predicted about three months ago by two geologists separately.
- they expect at least one more at one or two of the extentions of the fault line.
- this fault line causes earthquakes below 7.2/
- there have been many aftershocks in the region, with 5.4 as highest.
- there was also a 5.4 tremor off Marmaris on Southern Aegean yesterday and smaller ones at Ankara and Istanbul.

- Istanbul is pregnant for the big one. If the Marmara fault line breaks in its entirety 7.2-7.5 is a possibility. The fault line runs twenty kilometres South of the city, and greatest damage is expected in Marmara Sea coastal area,
areas of land fill, and in the poorer districts where the quality of construction has never been checked. 100,000-200,000 casualties probable, with almost 400,000 structures suffering some damage.

- The last big one was about 70-90 k South of Istanbul, which killed about 40,000 (officially 16 K) in 1999 and even destroyed some buildings and killed hundreds in Southwestern Istanbul.
We were in US when it happened and our only loss was a good TV and a few vases.

- Izmir may also live through a 6.7 to 7.2 earthquake in the not too distant future.(10-50 years)

Unfortunately, politicians are trying to gain popularity through censoring information from the area, hindering aid efforts by opposition controlled municipalities and even declaring on TV that this is fate and one should
bear it with patience because it is the will of god(?)

We checked our earthquake backpacks, changed the spare batteries, the food and water and some of the clothing as well as updating our medicines. Also remembered to add screw drivers and hammer.
I ordered a medium size multi purpose pen knife with my wife's name written on it for her pack.
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Old Feb 5th, 2020, 07:12 AM
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Istanbul is expecting the first snow of the season, starting early thursday morning, February 6 and continuing for three to four days. temperatures in the city will be mostly above freezing
but higher elevations and outskirts will see some accumulation.

Airports and Municipality salting and snow removal teams are ready.

A second catastrophe hit Eastern Turkey. There was a large avalanche killing thirty three and injuring fifty one people including a major rescue team who had arrived to help with an earlier small one.
There is now a high third avalanche possibility, so the search and rescue activities have ceased for the time being.

The governing party parliamentarians ruled out a state of emergency for the earthquake region yesterday because it was proposed by the opposition. We also saw an injured woman on a stretcher, kept
near the collapsed building she was removed for half an hour, so that they could show her rescue to the president who was due on the spot later, with the cameras ready to use it for PR..
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