Trip to London?

Old Apr 11th, 2002, 05:44 PM
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So, since I have Irish, Acadian, and English blood in me, I take it I can't join in the poor-me party?
Old Apr 11th, 2002, 08:39 PM
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The British are not the only civilization that has mistreated the minorities under their rule. Every great power has done it, that is how they exercise their power (including the French, Keir). And America is not exempt from that statement either.

Today's London is far different than the London of 100 years ago. So go and enjoy a great city and the fruits of enlightenment that most of the world has enjoyed since 1945. Times have changed.
Old Apr 11th, 2002, 09:34 PM
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This is an insightful and compassionate thread. I am saddened to compare it to recent threads when an American Jew expressed concerns about her planned trip to France in light of recent French anti-semitism. While a few were insightful, the thread quickly degenerated into an anti-semitic diatribe and became so hatefilled the thread had to be pulled. Count your blessings the responses to your concerns have been reassuring and reaffirming! Things are looking up for some....
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 05:18 AM
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Bob, you say the English look down on the Irish. How do you know this please. This is certainly not my experience, I know of no one that feels this way, and I am English, living in London.

On what do you base your presumptions. What I was trying to point out, as Gary as stated, is that whatever the British government may have been guilty of in the past, you can not carry on blaming the modern English people, who weren't there, took no part, and who live in much more enlightened times.

In my experience, we don't look down on others, they tend to look down on us for the past behaviour of our government. We are made to feel ashamed for being English, when we have no control over history, in the same way that Americans are blamed for the actions of their government.

It's natural to want someone to blame, but is it fair, or realistic, to have prejudice over ordinary people because the guilty parties are no longer around to answer for their sins?
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 05:25 AM
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To be honest, if I seem a bit hot under the collar about this subject, it's because I feel completely perplexed, as I don't know any English people who feel like this. I get on with my Irish friends, they enjoy living in London, and while they hate people like Oliver Cromwell with a passion, they are sensible enough to see that we are different from our ancestors.
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 06:13 AM
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I flatter myself that I am a reasonably
intelligent professional Irish person. For goodness sake, Robert the Bruce carried out some horrible atrocities against the Irish. Are we supposed to hate the Scots for that? Have you ever read Dickens, Mrs. Gaskell or Mayhew? At the time of the potato famine, poor people weren't exactly living off the fat of the land in England. Many Irish people have relations by marriage in England and vice versa, the two islands are pretty close together. I can vote in a British election. I sometimes think that the world would be a pleasanter and safer place if hyphenated Americans settled to being American, forgot old hatreds and let the rest of us get on with being our civilized selves.
Somebody has said that this thread is compassionate and sensible. Could it be because the majority of the participants are decent English folk and REAL Irish people?
Whoops, I'm getting hot under the collar too!
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 06:48 AM
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Anti-Irish sentiment I've seen in Britain has almost always been a class phenomenon, with a high correlation to (anti-Catholic) religious intolerance. When I’ve encountered it (and I have) younger people who also happen to be working class have typically voiced it, and I’ve therefore assumed it to be learned behavior. I believe it's dying out and good riddance, but these old ways don’t go all that quietly into the night, as attendance at a Rangers v. Celtic match may reveal (but even the Auld Firm may calm down with rising ticket prices.)
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 07:06 AM
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So, the English and Irish here are in agreement, and the only dissenters are North Americans. Hmm, who to believe...
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 08:18 AM
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Kevin, do you think your former boss was just pulling your leg? I am from Belfast, and yes we have our problems, but not with the average English person. In all the times that I have traveled to England I have never experienced any discrimination even when it came up that I was from Belfast. Go to London and enjoy your trip!
Old Apr 12th, 2002, 08:27 AM
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Actually, I think the English like the Irish. We love their accents and certainly enough of us go to Ireland for holidays and short breaks that we can't hate them that much, surely?

It is possible that in the past people appearing to be Irish may have been searched when going through customs - there have been times when all the security authorities have been on very high alert, but honestly, that's rare now. It's most likely not to have had anything to do with any irishness anyway. I've been searched going to the US - was that because of my Englishness? I doubt it - it was during some past increased security alert, can't even remember what for now, and on those occasions they search quite a lot of people.

Frankly, London is such a melting pot of nationalities that you will almost certainly pass unnoticed as anything different.

Be prepared to stand out a mile as a tourist though!
Old Apr 14th, 2002, 02:02 PM
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After all, what are the two most useful words to know in any language?

"Irish, actually"

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