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parisinspring Mar 17th, 2003 07:26 AM

Train Education Please
 
Could someone please tell me the difference between the TGV and the Train? When I look at fare schedules on Rail Europe some say TGV and some say Train. Do these trains leave from different stations? <BR>We would like to go to Reims from Paris. <BR><BR>I apologize for sounding so ignorant.

StCirq Mar 17th, 2003 07:39 AM

TGV stands for train &agrave; grande vitesse (high-speed train). The others are regular trains. There are RGV routes from all the Paris stations, I believe, as well as regular train routes, so depending on where's you're going you may be able to get there on the TGV or not, or you may need to use a combination of TGV and regular train.

ira Mar 17th, 2003 07:46 AM

Hi<BR> The TGV is a high-speed express train for which you must have a reserved seat.<BR><BR> Rail Europe is not the best place to find schedules, as they do not list all trains. They are also more expensive than other ways of booking tickets.<BR><BR> http://www.sncf.com/indexe.htm is the site for the French national rail system. You can purchase tickets on this site - RT 1st class is 60E.<BR><BR> However, you will probably find that you can purchase your tickets in France the day before for less money and more flexibility.

GeoffHamer Mar 17th, 2003 07:51 AM

The TGVs run on high speed lines between cities but use the same stations as normal trains in Paris, Marseille or wherever. TGVs travel at up to 300 km/hr (186 mph). On a journey like Paris-Marseille, TGVs take three hours while ordinary trains used to take twice as long, so there are no ordinary trains. On a route where you have a choice, there is usually a small supplement for using a TGV and you have to reserve a seat. When you buy a train ticket, you will normally be booked on a TGV if it's quicker, but TGVs are just another type of train.

indytravel Mar 17th, 2003 08:18 AM

Actually there are very, very few TGV routes in comparison to regular train lines. You won't use a TGV except to a limited number of destinations. Below is a link with a map showing the TGV lines. The one to Reims is not slated to open until 2006. You'll have no choice other than a regular train. <BR><BR>mercurio.iet.unipi.it/tgv/jpg/tgvgeomap.jpg<BR><BR>Ira is right that tickets are cheaper in France than through rail europe. However if you know you'll be traveling on a particular day you might qualify for a J30 fare on sncf.com which is half off the full price 30 days in advance. The next best fare a J8 is 25% off the full fare 8 days in advance. J30 &amp; J8 fares can be booked 60 days in advance and usually go pretty quickly.

Andre Mar 17th, 2003 08:30 AM

Parisinspring,<BR><BR>Your question is actually moot, as high speed TGV trains do not serve the Reims to Paris route.<BR><BR>You can check the full schedules on the link which Ira mentions or on<BR>http://reiseauskunft.bahn.de/bin/query.exe/en<BR>(more user-friendly web site of the German railways - does not display fare information however)<BR><BR>Some connections involve taking a slower regional train (TER) to Epernay, then changing to a &quot;normal&quot; train. I would try to go direct.<BR><BR>You can simply purchase the ticket locally in Reims at the train station or a &quot;boutique SNCF&quot;. It makes NO sense to purchase far in advance as there are no special discounts for this route.<BR><BR>Cost is EUR 19.70 in 2nd class one way (including an optional seat reservation). If you're between 12 and 25 or over 60, the fare goes down to EUR 14.80 (&quot;d&eacute;couverte 12-25&quot; and &quot;d&eacute;couverte s&eacute;nior&quot; fares), younger kids pay even less.<BR><BR>Hope this helps,<BR>Andre

GregPCM Mar 17th, 2003 10:22 AM

Hi Parisinspring,<BR><BR>Paris to Reims is just the regular train. It leaves Paris-Est station every 2 hours or less and arrives in Reims 1 1/2 hours later. I use the Swiss timetalbe Website(SBB)to check schedules because it is very user friendly. It is located at http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/misc/timetabl.html. Have a good trip.<BR><BR>Greg


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