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Tour de France winner Floyd Landis fails drug test

Tour de France winner Floyd Landis fails drug test

Aug 4th, 2006, 12:46 AM
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Personal view is all the top guys do drugs, especially EPO, even Lance. I don't buy that Lance was five minutes better than the 5 guys behind him who all are involved the current Spanish drug scandal. Does that he would have been 10 minutes better if he took drugs?

Secondly, also suspicious of his move from France to Spain, after France passed strong anti doping legislation. Spain has no anti doping laws (or the most lenient). This is not evidence but just suspicion.

Thirdly, EPO useage could only really be detected fairly recently and only certain types of EPO even show up. The atheletes are always one step ahead.

Now saying this, I am still a big Lance fan. Because he was still the best, in a sport where everyone was doping to be the best - without doping he would still have been the best. One does ask the question, if they are all doing it why don't they just all agree not do it, sounds great in theory but humans are very competitive creatures (blame it on Darwin) and that is just the way it will be forever. Trust me I think most NFL players are on drugs as well, the NFL just has a much less rigid testing than cycling.
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Aug 4th, 2006, 01:48 AM
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Underhill, some people really can't deal with the truth, and want to make excuses for everything.
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Aug 4th, 2006, 01:52 AM
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And Sansman-if as expected, Landis is stripped of his Tour title, I wouldn't be surprised if a criminal investigation follows-either by a French magistrate or the Americans.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 06:22 AM
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Gee what a surprise! Landis second sample has tested positive-but at an 11:1 ratio, and his own doctor saying that some of the sample was synthetic, I think the gig is up for Landis, and it would indeed be refreshing if he just came forward AND ADMITTED IT-but no! he's going to fight!

sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/more/08/05/landis.positive.ap/index.html

He has now been fired from his Swiss team, Phonak, who had this to say today "Landis will be dismissed without notice for violating the team's internal code of ethics-whatever he does from here on out to contest the allegations is his own affair." I

He can tie up this situation all he wants in litigation, but it will change nothing-he not only cheated by taking a banned substance, thus depriving the real winner of his victory day in Paris, but he continues to lie about it as well, thus creating a situation for future athletes to perpetuate the doping cycle by refusing to cooperate with the authorities. A very ugly situation all round.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 07:30 AM
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I read where he failed a second test also.
If true, he will be defenestrated from a room without a window.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 08:27 AM
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Keep up the fight, Landis, and maybe someone can help you come up with some great new explanations as to how the synethetic testosterone got there-you were abducted by aliens the night before the race, perhaps?
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Aug 5th, 2006, 08:33 AM
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I think that maybe his parents prayed too hard and it was a chemical miracle. After all, after that stage, everybody seemed to think it was a miracle of some sort.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 08:35 AM
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Regarding the presumption of innocence, that reminds me of the lawyer who was mugged and yelled out. "Stop, alleged thief!!"
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Aug 5th, 2006, 08:55 AM
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I think someone sabotaged him
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Aug 5th, 2006, 09:54 AM
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This is sad on many levels.
I feel especailly sorry for Oscar Pereiro of Spain, his family & team.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 11:06 AM
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This result was not unexpected. I choose to believe Landis. I don't believe he took anything at all. He's not stupid, he has never used any kind of dope, ever. He's known as being squeaky clean.

Really, just because there is synthetic testosterone showing up in the test doesn't automaticlly mean he took it. The sample could have been tampered with. Given the strong desire of the Tour to have anyone but an American win this year, it would not surprise me at all. I see no reason at all for Landis to "come clean" and "admit" to something he knows he didn't do just to make Greg LeMond feel better. If the stakes are high enough for some athletes to resort to doping, then automatically they are high enough for others to try to prevent their competition from winning.

I think no American should have samples tested at that lab and that the second sample should be tested at a different lab. Although, if tampering does take place, then the entire sample would be affected.

I'm very sad for Landis right now.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 11:58 AM
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"If the stakes are high enough for some athletes to resort to doping, then automatically they are high enough for others to try to prevent their competition from winning."

I agree, Barbara.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 12:05 PM
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"Really, just because there is synthetic testosterone showing up in the test doesn't automaticlly mean he took it. The sample could have been tampered with."

Some of you seem to be conveniently forgetting about all the OTHER riders who have been tested during this tour and their tests were negative.

The so-called "desire to have anyone but an American win" seems to be some sort of rationale which somehow justifies a positive test.

TRhere was apparently a lot of desire not to have Lance Armstrong win, too, yet he never seems to have tested positive...or did he?????
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Aug 5th, 2006, 12:47 PM
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Dukey, and the other SIX tests Landis had during the Tour this year were negative.
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Aug 5th, 2006, 12:54 PM
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Still don't believe it. I'd like to know the chain of evidence for handling the samples and whether a different lab could repeat the tests. The Tour management has been very anti-American, as has L'Equipe, which is owned by the same group. Too many questions come to mind.

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Aug 5th, 2006, 01:04 PM
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and whil a lie detector test doesn't hold up in court, it would be a good publicity gesture...
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