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Tour de France winner Floyd Landis fails drug test

Tour de France winner Floyd Landis fails drug test

Jul 28th, 2006, 07:26 AM
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Innocent until proven guilty...works for the law courts but I guess in the court of public opinion it is the opposite. Very sad as these athletes are amazing. People have tried to take Lances glory away for years and I think considering all he has been through personally as well as professionally...he deserves respect. The same goes for his team mate Landis. Let them do the tests first before he is condemned.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:36 AM
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I believe Landis has stated that he may not show up for the second B testing-he doesn't have to-just his lawyers-but in nearly every doping case of this type, the athlete who has failed the first round of drug tests does show up-he hasn't acted exactly outraged by the announcement of his drug test-it almost seems as if he was expecting it.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:36 AM
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Barry Bonds, due to break Hank Aaron's home run record has never tested positive for steroids (maybe he's never been tested) and he is universally condemned it seems by the general public for having taken steroids - all on circumstantial evidence. Floyd Landis tests positive on the first test and experts say almost always the second test confims the first and he is universally considered innocent until proven guilt.
Does racism enter in this at all?
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:42 AM
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Look at any picture of Barry Bonds before 'roids & after. It is painfully obvious to the naked eye. Human beings to not get stronger, bigger, faster in their 30's. As you'll notice this year, he's not having much luck...probably because he is off the juice. I've yet to see the "B" sample test results & frankly based on the info out their so far, I'm not even really sure what he is accused of, are you ? Racism ? I think not, you can throw Sosa, Palmeiro Canseco & McGuire all in the same boat. That should give you a pretty good sampling of backgrounds & heritage, don't you think ?
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:43 AM
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Wonder how much Barry is paying he 'trainer' to keep his mouth shut ?
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:46 AM
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Probably not as much as Lance is paying his 'doctors'!
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:47 AM
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"Floyd Landis tests positive on the first test and experts say almost always the second test confims the first and he is universally considered innocent until proven guilt......"

I think, Pal, before you stir up any more pots you need to look at your own initial post on this thread which did not in any way, shape, or form make it sound as if you were being nonjudgemental and, unfortunately, not in a good way.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:51 AM
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And you say Barry's gain in strength, etc. is reason to know he was on roids, which i fully believe he was - well others are pointing to Landis' extraordinary, unparalleled come back on that stage - the same stage the doping tests came back positive. I'm afraid the two cases are eerily similar and if Barry were a blue-eyed blond he'd have more supporters - Mark McGuire for instance has not nearly been as condemend as Barry. Of course the fact that Barry is an assxxx may also enter in.
As for Lance, no no one knows for sure but no one of a truly open mind can 100% defend him as there are too many circumstantial things as well - perhaps he did not but anyone blindly supporting him i think is a bit myopic.
Well these are just opinions and no one knows the real answers - we may next week in Landis' case however and then the usual 'it must have been a mistake' supporters will begin.
I'd say just suspend all cycling races for a few years and start over.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:53 AM
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I think Landis is too stunned to appear anything but shattered by this result. But this is one of my pet peeves, when someone doesn't react to something the way you think they should, they are therefore guilty. This is a favorite tactic of prosecutors and it absolutley stinks.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:54 AM
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You mean Barry Bonds has never been tested for 'roid use? But isn't that what all the uproar is about? He is being investigated-but I really hadn't been following the story so I don't know- that's odd, I think.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 07:57 AM
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Barbara-despite my comment above, I couldn't agree with you more, one should not judge negatively due to lack of a publicly expected reaction-mea culpa.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 08:50 AM
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The funny this about this positive test is that Testosterone is not a one shot deal performance enhancer. It's something to be taken over the long haul to build muscle & bone density.

So, from what I've read of the experts explanation of how testosterone works, a one day "hit" of testosterone is not going to be of any help to an athlete at all.

So why would he take something not likely to help his performance when he knew he would be tested? It doesn't make sense.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 10:33 AM
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Apparently Landis is now getting into the spirit of things and going on the offensive-he has announced that he has "naturally high testosterone" and will "prove his innocence"

Hmmm. Now I wonder how "naturally high testosterone" can be proven? This situation is getting more interesting-or creative, however you choose to view it!
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Jul 28th, 2006, 10:38 AM
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I would think that his testosterone levels would have been tested by his doctors before they prescribed medication which could raise those levels. Otherwise, how would they know what effect the meds were having on him?
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Jul 28th, 2006, 12:23 PM
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Impatient for the 2nd test. If Landis was "unknowingly" administered something by a doctor or other staff member, he certainly wouldn't be the first one.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 03:55 PM
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I don't know about that Kerouac-his lawyer already came out and stated that they fully expected the second test to come out positive-as he was naturally high in testosterone! He ALSO says that he has been tested 6 times during the tour-to my mind, that doesn't help support his position-unless those other 6 tests show that he had an equivalent high testosterone level-otherwise, he's going to have great difficulty explaining the discrepancy!

At any rate, he cancelled Jay Leno (and Leno had a funny comment-why did he do that? Hugh Grant came on our show after HE had a problem with too much testosterone-funny!)

He's going to appear tonight on Larry King instead.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 04:03 PM
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Who's Kerouac? Besides the obvious, that is.
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Jul 28th, 2006, 04:32 PM
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Besides the obvious, a Fodorite who apparently lives in Paris.
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Jul 29th, 2006, 10:30 AM
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A couple of updates/corrections:

Landis did not fail a drug test. The test result did not reflect a higher than normal level of testosterone. The test measures the ratio of testosterone to epi/testosterone. His ratio was high, not the actual testosterone level. A high level of testosterone does not enhance performance in high endurance sports and can actually be detrimental at extreme exertion levels. Many things (approved drugs, alcohol, genetics) can create an abnormal ratio of testosterone to epi/testosterone.

Under the rules of WADA, the public should not be told the results of an A sample test until the B sample is tested, and yet this is the second time (Lance being the first victim) that single sample results have been leaked to L'Equipe. Do we have a pattern here? The lab in the Landis case is the same lab that violated many rules of testing protocol in the Armstrong case which eventually resulted in Armstrong receiving a monetary settlement, acknowledgement that the testing was so flawed that the results were immaterial and recognition that the lab had not followed the WADA rules of privacy.

The riders who were excluded from the Tour before it began were not banned by the Tour but were withdrawn by their teams who had agreed, under pressure from sponsors, to remove any rider who was even mentioned in an investigation. Guilty until proven innocent. The five riders of Vinokourov's team who were excluded (thus leaving the team one rider short of the required number to compete and poor Vinokourov left hanging) have now been exonerated by the Spanish investigative officials. They were not found guilty of doping or suspicious enough to continue investigating. How interesting that the media and the Tour have not made a good news story out of this fact.

Will L'Equipe and the rest of the vulture media apologize to Landis and his family when he is exonerated? Don't hold your breath.

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Jul 29th, 2006, 10:55 AM
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Assuming he is exonerated and the second sample does not end with the same out of proportion ratio.
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