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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 09:57 AM
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Three Persons to a Room

Is it possible to put three people in the room in Paris without getting charged extra? All we need is two twin beds. How is the hotel going to find out anyway? Has anyone had this problem before?
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 10:05 AM
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What do you mean by "how is the hotel going to find out anyway?" How do you propose to maneuver around inside the hotel without the management knowing how many of you there are?
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 10:09 AM
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In a large hotel, it is very easy. In a small hotel, more complicated.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 10:09 AM
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Frankly, anyone here who asks how to commit fraud against an establishment has the problem IMO
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 10:15 AM
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They'll know if it is a small hotel, sure.

Don't know how you are going to have three people in a bedroom with twin beds, unless two are small children. You are aware how very small many European hotel rooms can be, unless you are really spending a lot of money. I'm sure you aren't booking large, deluxe rooms or you wouldn't be asking this question.

Some hotels might not charge extra, but I've personally never seen one. All the hotels I've stayed at and regularly check (which are a lot, often to make suggestions on here) have different rates for double and triple rooms. Even ones that allow a small child in a double room often have a small charge for that third person, but it's often not too much for a baby cot (20 euro or so).

I think you can legally get kicked out of a hotel for doing that, if they find out.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 10:21 AM
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Twin beds in Europe, particularly in France, are small. Not two double beds, but two singles, and in France very often short singles at that.
I can't see how or why you would want three people in twin beds.

As Dukey points out what you are suggesting is fraudulent, and if they did find out you could be in deep dooda.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 11:13 AM
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Unless it's a huge hotel, they are going to notice an extra person coming and going thru the lobby.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 11:40 AM
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Do you want three breakfasts for the price of two? And are you planning to cheat on the tax de sejour as well?
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 11:44 AM
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Rooms are very very small.Why don't you just call and ask. If its for a baby they may not charge you. One time we requested a room for 2 adults and 2 children at the Ibis near the airport. They gave us a room with a double bed and a baby crib, the room was so small you had to pick up the crib in order to get to the bathroom.

It's best just to ask, they will do what they can for you. Plus you may need directions or reservations, you don't want to be sneaking around when you need their help.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 12:30 PM
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<i>Do you want three breakfasts for the price of two?</i>

Maybe jsims is planning on following Rick Steves' suggestion to take extra food from the breakfast buffet.

Frankly, I am not &quot;shocked&quot; by the &quot;fraud&quot; of putting an extra undeclared person in a room, as it does not entail extra sheets, extra towels or extra anything for the hotel. However, I do feel that in most cases it would be quite impractical.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 12:38 PM
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Many places - there is a legal requirement to not exceed the stated room capacity.

If one of the three is an infant or toddler - the hotel might provide a cot (crib) for a small extra charge. If older than about 3 yo, there really won't be room in a french twin bed for sharing.

Ya know - there ARE triple rooms in Paris . . . . . .
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 12:41 PM
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Interesting... I actually thought about this for my upcoming trip. But I thought better of it. We do it all the time here in the USA but the rooms are bigger and I never met a hotel person who cared.
But it's best not to put someone in a bad mood in a foreign country. For me it wouldn't be worth the extra 30 E in my pocket.
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Ibis is one hotel brand that will often, but not always, allow children (although often just one child) in what is typically a double room.

Mercure and Novotel, particularly Novotel, have similar policies. Check www.accorhotels.com .

Another hotel chain that often has lenient policies about children is Holiday Inn.

Keep in mind that at many small hotels, you have to personally hand the key in and out to the clerk, as you exit and enter the building. So it's most unlikely that the clerk could happen to just not notice the third person standing there.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 01:23 PM
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In some parts of the world prices are charged per room, meaning that the price is the same, no matter how many people stay in a room - a single traveller, for example, pays the same price as a couple.

In other parts of the world, which includes most of Europe, hotels charge their prices per person. A single traveler staying alone in a room, no matter if single room or double room used as single, pays less than two people staying in a double or twin room pay in total.
These hotels will consider extra people staying but not paying a fraud, and they'll let you notice that they do.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 01:28 PM
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Is there some reason you don't want to stay at a hotel that has &quot;triples&quot; available? Often they are not that much more than the price for &quot;doubles&quot;.

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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 01:54 PM
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Oh, and why do you ask if &quot;anyone had this problem before&quot;?

It's not a problem. Well, it's your problem, if you're trying to cheat the establishment. No, I don't think anyone has had this &quot;problem&quot; before. Most people here pay for what they need in the way of accommodations.
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Nobody has mentioned that it is fairly normal in France (albeit less so in Paris, mainly because many rooms are small) to allow a third person in a room for a modest extra charge. An extra bed and additional towels are supplied.
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Old Aug 15th, 2008, 02:21 PM
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That's true, Padraig, but jsims wants to sneak in a third person without paying. As others have said, it's fraudulent to do so.
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The reason why I drew attention to the &quot;extra bed&quot; possibility is that jsims might consider the disapproval of posters here and also the fact that doing things the right way might not be all that expensive, and end up doing what many of us think is the right thing.
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This is just silly and dishonest. If you can't afford the charge for the third person in Paris, either ask the hotel ahead or don't go.

You will be begging for a bed of your own rather than sleeping two to a narrow euro twin.

If it's an infant or a child, no matter how small, you're going to want to sleep well and you're going to want the child to sleep well also. We have even taken a porta crib (what were we THINKING?) but they have those in France.

Trust me - We've traveled with our kids since my oldest (now 14) was not even a year old. When budget was a concern, we stayed at a Holiday Inn Express, which included the kids and the breakfast. No matter what, we always advised the number in the room, as we felt it dishonest to do otherwise.

We did have a B&amp;B in Puerto Rico tell us one time that, while they did not have an extra bed for the room, we were welcome to bring an air mattress for one of the children. They had us completely ready with extra towels and linens ready and waiting.

Just tell the hotel what you're trying to accomplish. Most will accomodate you or charge only a small fee!
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