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Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 09:41 AM

THINGS TO DO IN AND AROUND LISBON PART III (Inc Portugal)
 
Welcome to this third instalment of the Lisbon and Portugal thread/blog: the two previous can be found at...

THINGS TO DO IN AND AROUND LISBON PART I

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34740328

THINGS TO DO IN AND AROUND LISBON PART II (Inc Portugal)

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34785948

Again I wish to thank all the previous contributors for making it such a success and look forward to meeting more of you in the future.

I'll be coming up with some interesting fresh ideas for Part III and I am excited as you are to see where this takes us all.

So the red ribbon is cut, the drum role is over - I declare the new blog oficially open!

Happy travels, Matt.

Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 09:48 AM

kenderina - there's always one isn't there... ;-)

kenderina Jun 5th, 2006 09:49 AM

;) I'm sorry Matt, your post should be the last..I just couldn't resist to say it !!!

lobo_mau Jun 5th, 2006 10:15 AM

Kenderina, the next time you are coming to Portugal to see your "old man", please let us know and Matt and I will organize for sure a LDC meeting with you as a guest of honour. Right Matt?
After we had the pleasure of meeting so many Portuguese and Americans, it will be great to have one fine Spanish Lady joining us.



kenderina Jun 5th, 2006 10:21 AM

Sure I will do !! And I hope it to be soon..maybe for the autumn :) I got really envious when I read that you went to see Dulce Pontes at the Castle..I love her voice !!

Nikki Jun 5th, 2006 10:27 AM

There is a possibility I might be in Portugal in July. I tried to read the first two threads in this series but it is a daunting task! So forgive me in advance if I ask questions that have been covered before.

lobo_mau Jun 5th, 2006 10:30 AM

And the Galician singer Uxía Senlle was on stage singing some songs along with Dulce Pontes and some of her own. Uxia performed in Portuguese, with lyrics from 16th century epic poet Camoes. It was a high moment included in a magnificent show.

kenderina Jun 5th, 2006 10:35 AM

I don't know Uxía Senlle but I know Camoes, my mom even knows to say a poem from him by heart :) It has to be beautiful !

lobo_mau Jun 5th, 2006 10:37 AM

Nikki, Portugal is waiting for you. Please feel free to ask anything you like. If already answered, we are happy to copy and paste (we do this quite well) :-)
When and when in July?
Matt, I think we'd better to set up LDC meeting dates in advance. Maybe once a month. I don't know if you noticed but I'm getting fat, and I think I should blame Fodors for this situation.

kenderina Jun 5th, 2006 10:40 AM

Joao..the Sogra's Inn has nothing to do ? :P

dwsnyder Jun 5th, 2006 11:03 AM

Lobo, Matt, et al:

(Partial repost from previous thread)

I check the thread soon after waking, just before work, at lunchtime, just before I leave work and (sometimes) before going to bed. - At least it's not an obsession!

Changed our plans so we fly out of PIT instead of NYC, into Lisbon and out of Porto. We end up with a full day (layover) in Madrid, which I hope will prove to be exciting also.

Is anyone familiar with Moimenta Da Beira ? The parents of a 'sorta half sister' live there and we're thinking of visiting.

Current thoughts on itinerary -
Lisbon - 3 days/nights
Peniche/Obidos 1 day/night
Meandering drive to Moimenta Da Beira (ideas on places to eat/stay along the way ?)
Porto (sister of 'sorta half sister') 1 or 2 days - maybe spend a day on the train.

I'm very eager to learn what people have found about renting cars. Current plan is rent in Lisbon and drop off in Porto.

David

Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 11:57 AM

So with this new thread I wish to propose a couple of ideas:

Lisbon Dining Club reports to be contained within a new dedicated thread and links posted from here thus to keep the size down.

Trip reports, both mine and from other posters, (eg Lyn's) to be hosted again under a dedicated thread with links posted again within this thread.

It is to keep the actual size of the thread itself reduced to a more managable size and even though there may be 500 posts at the end it won't take as long to scroll through.

What say the members of the board?

And can anyone else come up with other ideas - perhaps some cutting and pasting of relevant material from the last two blogs?

(And a better spell checking procedure from myself ;-))

Anyway, welcome aboard once again.

Matt


Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 01:07 PM

A VERY SPECIAL TRAIN JOURNEY.

I have posted a report about Saturday's historic steam train journey through Lisbon here:-

150 YEARS OF PORTUGUESE RAILWAYS.

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34816818

It's a long report and I though it be better placed within its own thread, and plus it will be easier to locate when I send the links to the responsible persons at C.P. I have a number of other photos taken during this event should you wish to see them.

And yes, I did actually get to interview the Portuguese Secretary of State for Transport.

Hope you like it, feedback appreciated.

Matt

Sher Jun 5th, 2006 01:35 PM

dwsnyder.
I am renting our car in October from: www.economycarrentals.com

Now, I have rented in Portugal before from www.carjet.com. I was very happy with them and the price last year. The car was from Budget at the Lisbon airport.

This year, the price is not as good as Economy, so I am willing to try someone new.

I rent an automatic so if you rent a manual you can find good deals just about everywhere. It is much harder with an automatic.

sarasara is going to be the test case as she will attempt to pick up a car at the Lisbon airport from Economy. I hope all goes well with her. I am sure she will post. She is renting this month.

Pittsburgh is our home airport. I hope you enjoy your experience there. I would be glad to answer any questions about the airport if you haven't been through before.

isabel Jun 5th, 2006 01:41 PM

Hi guys. We will be in Portugal in July - in Lisbon from the 15th to the 20th (after 6 days of driving around the countryside). Do you have any LDC plans for that time?

Nikki - when are you going to be there?

Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 01:45 PM

Isabel we always have plans for a LDC meeting. Consider one scheduled for one night during those dates ;-)

Matt

Matt_from_England Jun 5th, 2006 01:47 PM

Okay so I'm filling in my diary, can the following posters confirm their dates for me please:

Dwsnyder
HenryandCasper
Sarasara
Sher
Namaka
Byoung4u2

Thanks in advance, hope I haven't missed anybody out.

Matt

Sher Jun 5th, 2006 03:52 PM

We will be in Portugal Oct-15- Oct 28 but only in Lisbon from Oct.24-28.

I will have my cell phone with me. Right now I am planning to use the International SIM that I purchased.

But I could change that to a Portuguese SIM, haven't really decided.

Also, will post our address as soon as we decide. We are waiting for Namaka to report on the apartment.

kenderina Jun 5th, 2006 04:02 PM

Matt, I find your ideas to keep the thread size very very useful.
Maybe you can do the cutting and pasting from the other two blogs not here in fodors but in a permanent website and then add the link here. I really think a website (even a little one) with practical info on Lisbon and Portugal(to say, the one that is in the other blogs) would be great too , what do you think ? :)

ladylyn915 Jun 5th, 2006 04:03 PM

Ok Matt, Good idea. I will copy and paste trip report parts one and two along with the posts of pictures from Sintra and add some new ones of Evora. Eventually, I will get to part three Cascais and Lisbon.

henryandcasper Jun 5th, 2006 05:47 PM

I think it's good to have separate threads for the trip reports and LDC reports ( I like the idea of a small website too), although, I'm not the brightest bulb on the tree when it comes to cutting and pasting and linking and whatnot...Yes! sign us up for an LDC tentatively for anytime during July 2,3,and 4th!

Nikki Jun 5th, 2006 06:09 PM

I'm still not sure whether we're getting to Portugal, but if we do it would probably be around the same time as Isabel. Just found out today that the trip is on. Still have to arrange flights. Going with a friend to visit her son in Ibiza, then Barcelona, and possibly Portugal or possibly other directions.

Matt_from_England Jun 6th, 2006 02:47 AM

Hi there David,

Been checking up on Moimenta da Beira:

Firstly the official town website:

http://www.cm-moimenta.pt/
(Portuguese only)

http://www.douronet.pt/default.asp?id=41&mnu=41
(again portuguese only - I tried a Google translation and it renamed the town Moimenta by the side!)

http://viajar.clix.pt/pt/dst3111.php?lg=en

And finally something in English for you. It looks like a nice place to visit with some typical architecture from that area, and I'm sure the food and wine will be great.

Actually when you return you'll have to provide us with some more info...

Matt

Matt_from_England Jun 6th, 2006 03:00 AM

Okay all: here's the link to Lyn detailed trip report and photos - nice work Lyn.

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34816907

I'm just wondering should all trip reports be compiled together, (which might make locating the thread a little difficult for new people wishing to post trip reports) or as each person posts their trip report link to it from here?

And if all of you visiting can do as well as Lyn has we'll have some great recollections of Portugal to read through.

"Viva Portugal!"

Matt

dwsnyder Jun 6th, 2006 04:06 AM

Matt - We'll arrive in Lisbon late in the day on Tues Sept 19th so I think LDC on eve of 20th or 21st might be good - Thanks, we're really looking forward to it.

Sher - Thanks for the info about auto rental. I'll look into both. Anybody else have exeperience with economycarrentals or carjet ? Also, We're pretty familiar with PIT but your offer is appreciated indeed.

Matt - I like the ideas about the new thread. You've also sparked some interest in a train ride. Maybe the one out of Porto in previous thread. Also, thanks for your research on Moimenta da Beira. We'll definitely file a report upon return !

David

henryandcasper Jun 6th, 2006 04:27 AM

We're off to the in-laws for a few days. Will be back then and in full trip planning mode!

dwsnyder Jun 6th, 2006 07:31 AM

Sher-

I just checked out both auto sites and they both look reasonable. I did notice that Economy also includes Theft & Fire Insurance with NO excess and one free additional driver - all that and a lower rate. Sounds pretty good to me.

Matt - it occured to me that if I can find somewhere reasonably close to Moimenta Da Beira where I can return the car, I could rent in Lisbon, drop off in [someplace close to Moimenta Da Beira] and then take a train to Porto - wow ! I don't think we'll need a car in Porto so I think it would work. It doesn't look to me like there's any place big enough that's close enough to Moimenta Da Beira for a 'larger' auto rental, but I might be (hope I'm) wrong.

Any suggestions ?

David

lobo_mau Jun 6th, 2006 08:11 AM

David, the only place of some importance near Moimenta da Beira is Viseu.

dwsnyder Jun 6th, 2006 08:51 AM

Ah Lobo - Thanks very much. Looking forward to meeting you in September !

I may have found a auto rental that I can pick up in Lisbon and drop in Moimenta - 123 Autorentals.

Now the question is - a train ((?)) ?!
It doesn't look like any train lines go near Moimenta da Beira but I'll take a look at Viseu.

This is begining to get complicated/fun ...

David

lobo_mau Jun 6th, 2006 10:19 AM

WOW David! You are going into the real deep Portugal... places where no tourist ever reached :-)
I guess that you'll have beautiful views to the mountains and maybe you are able to venture to the highest point of Portugal (nice views but no snow during summertime since it's only 2000 meters high).
After some checks in CP site (www.cp.pt), I think your best bet is to drive to Régua in Douro river banks and take a train from there to Porto. It's 11.30 euros (1st class) and around 1h40m. I don't see any other viable option near Moimenta da Beira or Viseu.

Matt!!! where are you? do you comment my suggestion?

Sher Jun 6th, 2006 12:06 PM

dwsnyder. What url did you use for the 123 Autorental quote?

Matt_from_England Jun 7th, 2006 01:37 AM

Okay all, the Lisbon Dining Club now has its own thread which can be found here...

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34817677

Feel free to post any comments and each time we have a new dinner the report and photo links will be posted there.

Matt

Sarasara Jun 7th, 2006 04:29 AM

I do also check this thread every day except when life gets especially hectic. I love reading about everyone's travels and I have gotten so much info from this site. Matt and Lobo: Thanks for taking us to another 500 posts. We will be in Portugal from June 19 to July 3 but will only be in Lisbon June 30, July 1, July 2. Maybe we could do a LDC meeting on July 2 with henryandcasper? I just want to make sure that you know we will have our kids with us,though. I don't want to impose children on anyone who doesn't want them so if you would like to meet without us or a separate time I will not be at all offended. Also, I am using economy car rentals. They will be dropping the car off at our hotel then we will return it to the airport in Lisbon. I will certainly let you know how it goes.

lobo_mau Jun 7th, 2006 04:53 AM

Sarasara, no comments...
Matt, It seems that 2 July is a good day for another LDC. We could repeat Gravatas or then trying anything else. Sarasara, please review the report on Gravatas and if you find that option appealing for you and children.
If you prefer anything different, please let us know your requirements and we'll find the place (MacDo not allowed).
Pateo is closed on Sunday diner. If we were more, we could try to persuade sr. Jaime to open the restaurant for us, but 10 or 11 of us I'm affraid it's not enough.

Sher Jun 7th, 2006 05:00 AM

Sarasara. In case I forget, have a wonderful time. I really will be looking for your post on the apartment and car.
Also:
Barb
Namaka
Henryandcasper
And anyone else I may have forgotten.

dwsnyder Jun 7th, 2006 06:13 AM

Sher-

The URL for <a href="http://ukcarhire.net/international/2...l">123 Car Rental</a> is http://ukcarhire.net/international/2...GAL/index.html

The cost to pick up an economy 2-door (EBMN)in Lisbon at the airport and drop off in Moimenta da Beira is about $25 per day. And additional $25 per rental for additional driver. Unlimited mileage.

I'm not sure I understand all of the insurance issues though, specifically 'Compulsory' "LDW ( CDW + TW) - included in price; Non Waivable LDW amount (not included); PAI,SCDW (Super C.D.W covers the C.D.W Mandatory excess charge) not included, SLDW & SPAI
not included.

There's really no explanation of these terms on the website. Does anybody understand them ?

Thanks in advance
David





Sher Jun 7th, 2006 07:19 AM

David.

LDW. When you rent this car, they are providing you with so much collision damage(when you have an accident) and theft protection (if the car is stolen.)

There is a LDW, non waivable excess that is not included. We would call this deductible. It is different for every car that is rented, depending on the value of the car. Sometimes it can be as much as E2000, but surely not that much on the car you are planning to rent (economy). The contact should state this value.

The car or object that you may hit is covered by their basic insurance that they provide. But your car is not if they are giving you an excess.

PAI is personal accident insurance. This covers you and the stuff in your car.

SPAI and SLDW is coverage that you can buy separately at the time of rental to reduce your excess liability , sometimes to zero and sometimes to a very little amount like $100 or so. The same with you or your personal belongings.

If you have qualifying credit card, you sometimes can decline all of the provided insurance and use the credit card coverage.

This becomes tricky when the rental agency will not provide a car this way. It is usually listed as inclusive or exclusive coverage and is reflected in the price.

You can also take out a separate rental car coverage from some companies that will cover these insurances as buying them from the rental agency can be very expensive and double your cost at times.
Check www.insuremytrip.com.

Does this help? I cannot get this to preview, so I apologize for any typos.

dwsnyder Jun 7th, 2006 08:15 AM

Thanks Sher - I think that helps :-?

Some strange things I woke up thinking about:

Do men wear shorts in Portugal - or does that just scream 'American Tourist'? We'll be there in Sept and my understaning is that it's still pretty warm then.

I suppose if 'sandals with socks' is forbidden, then sandals without socks is okay ? Socks without sandals ?!


What (approx) is the current price of gasoline in Portugal ? Does it vary much by location ?

Thanks

lobo_mau Jun 7th, 2006 08:50 AM

Do men wear shorts in Portugal - yes they do. In Pateo's LDC Bailey's DH was wearing shorts and he fit very nicely.

Sandals without socks - very ok
Socks without sandals - I've never seen, it would look very original.

What (approx) is the current price of gasoline in Portugal ? 1.4 euros/litre (yes, it's expensive). For budget purposes a medium car at a medium speed (100 km/h) should "drink" about 8 litres/100 km outside cities and 10 litres/100 inside cities.

There are 2 kinds of leadless gasoline. 95 octanas and 98 octanas. The first is less expensive and there is no reason to use the second.

Does it vary much by location? It's very uniform, it may vary 1 cent or so, but no more than that.

Thanks

namaka Jun 7th, 2006 09:07 AM

Matt and Lobo,

My first day off of work to start preparing for the trip and I am now sick. Just a head cold, yet not fun to fly 12 hours with. Trying hard to rest in between getting ready.

We will be in Lisbon from June 19-30. Our schedule is very flexible as I don't want to run ourselves into the ground.

We are like Sarasara, traveling with our children. They are 12 and 8. Would love to meet somewhere that will be okay with them as they are not into long dinners. Also, they are extrememly picky! How about the street I believe I read about "Frango ?" where they have the wonderful spit roasted chicken? Too bad we couldn't meet up with Sarasara since she too will be with her children.

Thanks for the offer to check out the apt. for me. I am just going to trust that it is nice. I have read the reviews from other people and they were fine. Paulo has been great so far, so I am not expecting anything less.

I haven't been very successful with booking a tour with Lisbon walks. I received one reply, but that was only after sending about 5 inquiries. For the dolphin tour, they did reply once but suggest I contact them once I arrive, which I guess I will do.

Any thoughts on the best way to get to Setubal for the dolphin tour as they do not provide transportation?


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