Still thinking about going to France?

Sep 25th, 2003, 09:12 PM
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Still thinking about going to France?

It amazes me how people can still overlook these daily insults and continue to travel there.
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Sep 25th, 2003, 10:29 PM
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It's probabyl because they traveled there to see for themselves and found out just how much propaganda exists.

I guess by posting this here you have either increased the number of card decks sold - or starting another one of those very nasty threads where board members insult each other daily and then continue to be active in this forum.
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Sep 25th, 2003, 11:59 PM
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Hey, don't feel you are being picked on, the French are rude to everone - at least some of them are, anyway. But I have found once you get out into the countryside, the French people are warm and friendly.
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Those Nasty French!

They've stolen the idea from the USA, there's been a "Loaded deck" made in the USA just like this for months.
You can get it from Buzzflash for a contribution
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Sep 26th, 2003, 01:37 AM
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This is getting very old and boring and I guess I have nothing better to do this morning because I am replying to this stupid post. France is a fascinating, civilised, wonderful country full of lovely people. I will definitely overlook that insult and continue to travel there. Living in London means Paris is only 3 hours away - think i'll starting planning my next visit.

Au revoir!
Sep 26th, 2003, 01:38 AM
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Ditto Ally...
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Sorry. I think I missed something. What does some guy, one guy out of millions, who is privately capitalizing on bad taste, have to do with where people go on vacation?

I'd ask you to explain, but I suspect that wouldn't be wise. Kind of a "my kind of people don't like those people" sort of thing, isn't it? If this guy is insulting people daily, I have to say you're right, people shouldn't travel to his house anymore.

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Sep 26th, 2003, 04:54 AM
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It amazes me how STUPID some people are.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 05:10 AM
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You know this frenchman must be alittle crazy. The premise of his book on 9-11 is that a plane didn't hit the pentagon...and I guess some people there believe that??
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You have to consider the source. Based on book sales, most French people think either planes hijacked by vile fanatics didn't murder 3,000 innocent people or that the US gov't did it. There's nothing you can say when you're dealing with that level of stupidity.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 05:55 AM
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"Most French people" ? To my knowledge, there are 68 millions French, and approx. 500'000 books have been printed here.

You'll also have to consider stopping to visit Spain, Italy, Portugal, Germany, Switzerland, ... where the book has been translated in the local language and sold like hot cakes !

Besides, the press has unanimously condemned Meyssan's "theories" and seen through his publicity stunt, as those who can read French can verify through a google search.

There hasn't been in our press a quarter of the tenth of the kind of venomous attacks American press has delighted in during all those months. I cannot remember either any of our politician indulging in the kind of insults my country has been subjected to.

Despite that, as a majority of posters here have attested, American tourists are still welcome ...
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Sep 26th, 2003, 06:04 AM
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Call me an old cynic, but ..............

It seems to me that all the French have done is join the majority of US electors by not believing Mr Bush.

Mr Blix and others can't find the things Mr Bush told the world were

Nevertheless, the French keep a warm welcome to all visitors.

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Sep 26th, 2003, 06:13 AM
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I'll answer the question as posed:


I'm not still thinking about going to France. That's why I cancelled my two week planned trip there and went to Italy instead, and why I'm looking anywhere but France, even Germany, for my next one.

I like the embrace of the UN when it is to their advantage...didn't de Gaulle have severe reservations and state that France would never put it's own interests behind that of the UN? What did Chirac say? There is no alternative to the UN?

France obviously strongly vehemently and publicly opposed the US and sought to turn other nations against us as well. I'm not saying we were right or wrong to go to Iraq...regardless, the behavior of France was unacceptable. Was it because the US didn't get a UN mandate? If so, that seems hypocritical to me. From a Reuters mention of UN here:

"France sent more troops to Ivory Coast this week amid a deepening rebellion, prompting newspapers and commentators to ask whether the nation once known as the gendarme of Africa was back on patrol."

I feel that regardless of how you come down on Iraq, France's behavior is hostile at best.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 06:20 AM
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oops...from the same article:
"Apart from Ivory Coast, France maintains troops in Africa in Djibouti, Senegal, Chad and Gabon."

I'm sure the UN authorized all of those little camp outs.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 06:25 AM
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going in under 3 weeks. not a political statement but a vacation. can't wait!! have a great weekend.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 07:18 AM
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This is such a silly recurring theme. Fine, by all means do not visit France if you disagree with their government. I think it's a rather strange way of determining where to spend your vacation. I don't agree with Mr Bush a lot of the time, but are happy to visit the USA anytime. And will you visit Italy? Although the government there supported Bush, the vast majority of Italians do not. Where does that leave you? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?
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I loved France! However, I am not buying anything French and not going back anytime soon!

That said, everyone else can do what they want! I don't care if you go to France or not. That is definitely an individual choice.
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Sep 26th, 2003, 07:43 AM
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I'm all for freedom of speech, which is what I'm exercising. The French government and the people are very different; understood. The government didn't exercise freedom of speech, but a political attack of sorts on the US. The then couch that attack in hypocrisy that any reasonable person would laugh at. So what if the weapons aren't there...take it to a higher level that was used for Rwanda and Yugo...if France believed those were noble efforts (without a UN mandate by the way) b/c people were being killed, why are they more valuable than the Iraqis that were being killed? B/c those other countries leaders weren't funneling millions/billions to France? Oh, of course not...that would mean that those leveling charges at Bush like Big Old Teddy "the swimmer" Kennedy would have to make the same charges he is against Bush/Cheney. It's so freaking inconsistent folks...boil it down and admit the truth: these actions stink b/c you don't like Bush...honesty is the best policy.
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Anyone knows that french are arrogant, don't wash their teeth everyday,..;
that all the germans are agressive,
that swedish women are blond, that itilian are all in the maffia and that
all american eat only burgers and drink coca while their only dream is to
dominate the world...
When will we be less stupid than our politic dirigeant and their mediatic relay...
Since 1992 and our honeymoon we have been 36 times in US and I've never seen
more amenity against us than I can
find with some other french people in France.
I've encountered sympathic people
everywhere(NY, Louisiana, Texas, California, Southwest...) in great resort(Arizona Biltmore i.e.) or in
small motels on the old 66(super 8, motel 6). I've sympathized more with some and we mail or we see each other
every year(in NY or in Tucson in horseback riding or in Arizona/Utah while discovering indian ruins and arts...).
Antinomy is the fact of our dirigeant who give me the impression to govern
more with their "egos" than with the
goal to be usefull to us...
and the fact of the media who have
found some recurrent mater of articles.
If you come to France you'll find the same proportion of intelligent/stupid,
small/great,... than everywhere in the world and as I find when I travel to US
Important is to finish with all this quickly and false judgements...and to
speak each other...
How can we hope be a "peace"'s maker in
far and middle east if we are unable, us,occidentals to analyse and admitt our difference without thinking we are
the best...
Erik, who will continue with family to come to US, but also in italy/GB/...
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In the most recent edition of Time Magazine, Lance Armstrong stated that the French were noticeably nicer to him this year than they have been in the past. He believes that, although many French do not approve of the Iraqi conflict, they are uncomfortable with the strained relationship between our countries.
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