Spain: 15 cities in 15 days

Jun 22nd, 2019, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by StCirq View Post
<<Often, these people have way more luggage than we would ever dream to have. They move slowly. Have a long breakfast. Manage to see one new thing in the morning before a long lunch. And, then on to their second and final site of the day. They finish the day with wine and a leisurely dinner and then back to their hotel room. >>

I really don't think that characterizes the vast majority of Fodorites who argue for a reasonably paced approach to travel.

I'm not a fan of these run-all-over, sleep-in-a-different-pace-each-night itineraries, but I travel with one small bag, don't move slowly, rarely have a long breakfast if I have one at all, see lots more than one thing in a morning, don't have a long lunch...I do often finish the day with wine and a leisurely dinner, but it's usually either something we cook in our rented apartment or at a neighborhood cafť or similar place that isn't fancy. From what I've read over many years on Fodors I think the vast majority of people here tend toward this middle-of-the-road, reasonable approach.

Your stereotypes about the way that you seem to think the "slow travelers" of Fodors plan and execute their trips are just as formulaic as any others. No one here that I'm aware of heavily promotes their style of travel over any other. But you can't deny that plenty of newbie travelers show up here thinking they can do a whole lot more with their time than is humanly possible, and it's not wrong to point that out.
You missed my point. I was not characterizing Fodorites in any manner, other than to suggest that they should be more open to other approaches to travel than their own. Some are and some aren't. I was merely providing an example of a tourist I see all the time, often speak to, sometimes help with their luggage, provide advice or directions to, etc. This was not a stereotype; it was a traveler we often see. The point I tried to make was that their travel style is not mine, although I respect it, especially if itís good for them,; but if they reported on Fodorís about their trip, they would not be criticized because they spent the requisite amount of time in a particular place and ate well.

My disagreement with you, and others, is that your perception of what is "humanly possible" may not equate with what I or others might actually be able to do and enjoy.

I agree with your earlier comment to this traveler: ďif you enjoyed this, that's what counts.Ē And, for what it's worth, I do a fair amount of slow travel, and am on a very small Caribbean island for a month right now. And, it's cooler here than in Florida!
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Jun 22nd, 2019, 01:55 PM
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"You can spend many hours here, but the Nativity Tower was a bust; donít waste your money. No real good views; no good picture opportunities."

The best info dispensed in the report. The Nativity Tower, for which you need to take an elevator, was a waste and added a term to our vocabulary. Anything that we now put on the dreaded "Elevator List" denotes a place not worth going.

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Jun 22nd, 2019, 02:39 PM
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I don’t care how people travel, it bothers me when they make proclamations about the
cities they have seen for a minute and a half.
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Jun 22nd, 2019, 03:36 PM
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Misleading advice

I don't care how people travel or what they want to do when they get there. What I object too is giving advice in the form of a trip report that is misleading. Again and again on this forum people post itineraries that are doable but are like 15 day tours with a busload of likeminded people, why bother putting together a sprint through Europe, thousands of companies do it already, just join one. If the journey itself is the reason you want to travel this way, great, off you go; but don't assume 'you've done Europe', you have done a trip, theres a difference.
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Jun 22nd, 2019, 03:57 PM
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@danon and @missdonkey - entirely agree. My first thought on reading this TR was that it could have been done more easily on a tour. My second was that while I don't care for Madrid, despite enjoying some of its many museums, I can't imagine not loving Salamanca. It's always a case of YMMV: this is not a trip I would want to do, nor one I would recommend, but a good friend of mine just got back from a trip to Spain and Portugal that was a slightly slower version of this and she had a great time.
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Jun 22nd, 2019, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by misskdonkey View Post
I don't care how people travel or what they want to do when they get there. What I object too is giving advice in the form of a trip report that is misleading. Again and again on this forum people post itineraries that are doable but are like 15 day tours with a busload of likeminded people, why bother putting together a sprint through Europe, thousands of companies do it already, just join one. If the journey itself is the reason you want to travel this way, great, off you go; but don't assume 'you've done Europe', you have done a trip, theres a difference.

I havenít done Europe either, no matter how I have traveled. And I didnít hear the original poster say that either.

And this poster didnít want a tour full of like minded people. They decided how to travel and they enjoyed it. They are not, as I understand it, making proclamations about the cities they saw; they are describing their preferences. Your mileage may (literally) vary.
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Jun 22nd, 2019, 10:18 PM
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If course there are many ways to enjoy travel, all valid. The issue I with the trip report is that the OP made statements as though they are fact when they are merely opinion, and rated places they did not actually see enough to make a fair rating. It is probably just a matter of wording though, so not to be read seriously.
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Jun 23rd, 2019, 09:49 AM
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Wow.

What a great discussion I generated! We have taken many trips to Europe and Down Under, making extensive use of Fodirs and TrioAdvisor for input. But I have never posted a trip report because I know the way my wife and I travel is on the minority. Most other tourists we interfaced with are either on a tour ( much to slow and limited for us. To suggest that we could have down what we did on a tour suggest little knowledge of most standard tours), or on their own were much less aggressive. More in line with the liesurly breakfast folks noted above. Despite being in our 70s, even walking we pass all seniors and most youngsters we see. We generally are out and about by 7am, and in bed exhausted by 10pm.

That is why I have never done a trip report before. I know it will not help many. But there are a few others like us out thete, and I figured this might be helpful for them.

BTW, no one can KNOW a city or country by visiting for weeks, let alone days. To know a country one would have to live there for many months. "Knowing" a city/country is not part of our objective. But I think many travelers miss an opportunity to better experience a country by driving, keeping off the expressways and stopping in small towns for a drink.

Lastly I purposely included fast food stops in this trip report. We use these stops to save time and forum visitors should know it is ok. Interestingly enough, the place most crowded, with the longest lines, of Spanish speaking people were the fast food stops! Hmmm, maybe the culture in Spain is changing?

I hope in the future all Fidorites use the Forum for positive purposes. It is counterproductive to tell any travelers they screwed up... No such thing. As many have pointed out, people travel differently.
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Jun 23rd, 2019, 10:24 AM
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Firstly, many thanks for doing a Trip Report. Always appreciated. I start many, and finish few. :

There are elements of this trip report that appeal to me, because, in the past, some of my trips tended to resemble this one.I remember a mad dash across Brittany that was insane, but I really enjoyed it. Then there was exploring half of Sicily in 5 days. Whatever. .

Recently, I have been using Public Transportation, because I let my driving licence lapse, so I have taken a slower approach to travelling. Once I get my Licence back - who knows!


To each his own!

All input is gratefully received and appreciated.

Regards … Ger
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