Btw that was to Hooameye about PalenQ in case it's not obvious...
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be gentle -- PQ is on a stronger paint formula.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-ouch-26788607
He's been told that before - he's just doing it to get a rise.> No I did or do not remember being corrected but will now and just because a society changes its name do you think everyone used to using that word does not still at times use it? I think some do - quite a few probably but agree that it would not be appropo now to use it. Thanks for the correction which I honestly sincerely did not remember so your charge is bogus. |
Sorry Hooameye, me being lazy in my reading.
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You may not feel jet lagged, but you need all your wits about you for the first few days while adjusting to driving on the left in a right hand drive vehicle — in a sudden emergency old habits take over. I have the same problem when returning to my native US after years of driving in Britain.
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spastic, well off the radar now (by about 40 years) :-)
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There haven't been 'Spastic Shops' in Britain for over 20 years. This is from the website -
"In 1952, three parents of children with cerebral palsy set up The Spastics Society because no one would educate their children. The organisation grew and changed to become a household name. But attitudes to disabled people changed as well. The word 'spastic' became a term of abuse. Suddenly, The Spastics Society's name was holding it back. We wanted to say something positive about disability. In 1994, The Spastics Society became Scope". |
spastic, well off the radar now (by about 40 years)>
Yet just 20 years ago the shops were called Spastics Shops - so what you say is patently untrue it seems. Oh well I'll admit to being a little spastic about it all... Cheers |
nah, the society held the word back for years, I used to visit the local school that was supported by the charity and my goodness the "board" we old foggies. I stand by it. :-)
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anyway Brits here with a high dedgeon to nit pick miss the point - that words here and there can have dramatically different meanings - like 'fag' - a cigarette in Britain but slang for a gay person here - a Brit coming here and asking someone for a fag will get quite a reaction perhaps.
and call a spade a spade - why that caused high dudgeon for the American beats me - just a benign phrase here. Curious as to what you meant? |
>>and call a spade a spade - why that caused high dudgeon for the American beats me - just a benign phrase here. Curious as to what you meant?<<
You must not get out and about very much. That phrase could get you in serious trouble in some neighborhoods. |
Spade a spade! I also wondered about that - do people take it to mean a Black person (or worse). I thought it just meant saying what you see ( or mean) - ironic really. I nearly got thrown out of a US restaurant (southern states) for shouting "Its a cracker" mimicking a once popular UK comic. They tried to explain the problem but the point was lost on me - they were all beating around the bush instead of saying what they meant.
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Yes -- cracker is a big problem (and many from other parts of the US wouldn't get it either). In some places/groups it is a very derogatory word for a white person. . . . In other places it is just a Triscuit ;)
>>do people take it to mean a Black person (or worse)<< Some do. |
Not sure whihc neighborhoods you're walking around but no one here that I know of considers calling a spade a spade to refer to Black folks. We travel in different circles.
That said janis is right on: http://www.npr.org/blogs/codeswitch/...-spade-a-spade |
as Oscar Wilde has it "a spade, I have never even seen a spade?".
[ie as in shovel]. |
The problem PQ dear . . . is that the sorts of folks who would misunderstand aren't in the habit if listening to/reading NPR.
OF COURSE it isn't racist (!) . . . that doesn't change the fact that folks in many places THINK IT IS. . . . I have worked/volunteered w/ two programs for offenders - the participants would 100% think the term "Spade" means African American (and a large % would not know spade is a shovel) |
had no inkling that calling a spade a spade is racist-its used in Oz often.
No one here would ask for a "fag" -used to be able to buy fags -a lolly cigarette but the name was changed some years ago because her it is a derogatory term for a gay person. Why would you use the term "spastic" PalenQ when you know its a derogatory term now!!!! The Spastic society was set up in Oz in 1941 and changed its name to scope in 2001 -in UK 20 years ago . It was for many years before that used bu some as derogatory term and would have been considered "bullying" . |
have worked/volunteered w/ two programs for offenders - the participants would 100% think the term "Spade" means African American (and a large % would not know spade is a shovel)>
Are you sure you were not in Folsom Prison instead of volunteering! just joking - and yes unless you come into contact with groups who consider it offensive one at least up here in northern Michigan would never realize that - and this area has a lot of blatant racists here using the N word. Thanks for your clarification. |
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