Some jet-lagged thoughts from Paris
 

I just finished a great 9 night trip in Paris, and wanted to get some immediate impressions out there. I'll post a full trip report a little later.

Underrated:

1. Parisians. Didn't encounter a single jerk there. Everyone was nice, pleasant, and tried to be as helpful as they could.

2. The Paris Museum Pass. We got the 6-day, 60 Euro passes, and saved over $40 Euros a piece. Also, they saved a TON of time. Avoiding the monster ticket line at Versailles alone was worth the price.

Overrated:

1. Carte Orange. By the time you factor in the price of passport photos, you're not going to save much money at all with this thing. Also, they're not sold at most stations. Just buy carnets and save yourself the hassle.

2. The restaurant scene. Now, of course this is subjective, and we were there in August, when a lot of places were closed. But, it was easier to find Italian and Asian cuisine than good little French places (Rotisserie D'En Face was a noble exception). To top things off, one bistro (Bistro D'Hubert) was closed even though they had earlier confirmed reservations for us for that night. Grrrr.

Anyhow, more details later.

>> Parisians. Didn't encounter a single jerk there. Everyone was nice, pleasant, and tried to be as helpful as they could.<<

Well, the 10th day is the charm. :)

By the way, I agree with you about Parisian restaurants.

1. RATP accepts home-made digital prints that cost you nothing but ink. A single <i>carnet</i> of ten <i>Tickets 't'</i> probably won't be enough for a more than two or three days. Then you have to buy another, and suddenly you've spent 22,80&euro;, which is 6&euro; more than a <i>Carte Orange</i>.

2. Cieldeparis.com (Each meal is served with a free panoramic view of Paris, including the Eiffel Tower.)

I don't see the Paris Museum Pass and carte orange as being over or under rated. It depends on the individual circumstances. A person shouldn't be buying a carte orange if they don't plan on using the buses, metro, and or RER enough to justify the cost. Consequently a person doesn't need the museum pass if you aren't going to go to enough of the sites to justify the cost or time spent waiting in lines.

Ok, I'll be in Paris in 12 days and I have no clue what Carte Orange is or what a carnet is. Help!

you can bring your own photo for carte orange. Is the resto en face, the one in the Marais?

nysmom: Here's the Readers' Digest version of Paris Transport options:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/5p3mwv

A carnet costs 11.40 Euros for 10.

Maybe once or twice we used the metro more than three times.

Also, remember that Carte Orange (the only weekly pass of any value) is strictly Monday-Sunday. If you arrive on a Thursday, it's worthless.

Also, a zone 1-2 Carte Orange doesn't cover trips to Versailles.

The Museum Pass does allow you to bypass some monster lines (Louvre, Orsay, and especially Versailles).

As far as restaurants are concerned, I know there are plenty of great ones in Paris at any time of year. However, the trick is finding them. Maybe it's laziness on my part, but I'm not a fan of having to research restaurants. In contrast, take a place like Rome where it's hard to avoid having a great meal (which we did manage to do once).

Rotisserie D'en Face is just off Rue Dauphine in St. Germain (an easy stroll from Pont Neuf).

RAC,

and it could be your taste in food...

My kids loved the food in Rome, I prefer dining in Paris.

I don't really go in for pasta.

Makes a difference.

g.

I thought they just did away with the Carte Orange (although I still have one that I use as an external hard drive, but that's another story).

As for food -- if you don't like pasta, you shouldn't eat it in Roma. There are many other things to eat. I think the ambience, service and freshness of restaurant food in Paris has declined.

<i>Also, remember that Carte Orange (the only weekly pass of any value) is strictly Monday-Sunday. If you arrive on a Thursday, it's worthless.</i>

And if you use a <i>Carte Orange</i> for a week, it costs 2,40&euro; a day. Whether it's your best option depends on many factors.

It is a disservice to prospective travelers simply to say it's &quot;overrated&quot; or &quot;worthless.&quot;

What would really be a disservice is to go on talking about the Carte Orange if it no longer exists.

It appears to have been retired as of this month, and replaced by the Passe Navigo D&eacute;couverte for tourists.

http://homepage.univie.ac.at/horst.p...07/002175.html

Well, I bought and used a Carte Orange, so it's not officially dead. But, it wasn't a huge moneysaver by any measure.

It can be, but just like the museum pass you need to use it enough to justify the purchase.

We got the Carte Navigo Decouverte last year in Paris, and found it to be a great convenience. Even if you don't use it a lot, being able to merely swipe it at the turnstiles on the metro, or at the machine on the bus saves a lot of hassle. I find messing about with the tickets from a Carnet to be much more trouble. Which ones have I used? How many trips will I take today? Do I need to buy another before the ticket booth closes?

With the Navigo you have one solid, small plastic holder that is convenient to carry, and not likely to get misplaced. I can't count the times I have waited and waited beyond the turnstile while my DW fumbles in her purse, trying to find a valid metro ticket.

:-)

I think restaurants are just luck of the draw, especially when you don't research. I am not a huge restaurant researcher either, and quite contrary to your comment above we found it hard to have a good meal in Rome. Not that any of our meals were bad, but only a few of them stick out as being really good, and we've visited 3 times. I blame nobody but myself, of course, for not doing proper research, but I'm not one that wants to go completely out of my way for a good meal and instead just menu shop when hunger strikes.

I had a few good meals in Paris, particularly at some of the smaller bistros, but I'm not really a foodie so I definitely didn't seek out any gourmet restaurants.

Tracy

Carte Navigo is a month-long pass, right? I wish I was lucky enough to be able to use one of those bad boys.

I'll throw another pebble in the pond. I'm here for two weeks, and I was all set to go for Carte Orange on the Navigo D&eacute;couverte - but I tried out V&eacute;lib for 24 hours. Since then, I've used it far more than bus and metro.

no, the Navigo Decouverte is not a pass for any specific time period any more than the Carte Orange was. You have a choice, week or month, and buy accordingly.

People make buying a few metro tickets or passes much more complicated than it is, and obsess over this way too much in comparison to its importance.

You are right, Christina, Much ado over not much, but all I am saying is that the Navigo is an option to consider. It worked for us.

It does cost &euro;5 to activate it, but minimizes the number of times one has to deal with the ticket booth, or the machine; as stress point for those of us language challenged.

The other aspect we liked was the (silly) feeling of panache one feels when one merely swipes the card over the reader, and dives for the last empty seats like true Parisians.

:-)

V&eacute;lib is the way to go for anybody not terrified of city streets and with just a tiny bit of muscles in their legs.

Faster than the metro in just about every case -- and cheaper, of course.

bm

We liked using paper tickets (single RER trips, <i>Mobilis</i>, and <i>Tickets Jeunes</i>) on our last trip better, because the electronic turnstiles were either out of order or crowded. We just breezed through.

Is anyone familiar with the web site below?

http://parisbytrain.com/paris-train-...go-decouverte/

Information of interest, yes??

Rotisserie d'En Face is the 2nd restaurant by Jacques Cagna on the rue Christine. His Michelin starred (today still?) main restaurant is on the other side of the street, hence the name &quot;d'En Face&quot;.

http://parisbytrain.com/tag/carte-orange/

I would love to use Velib, but with a Canadian Credit card it is difficult I think?

There are as many jerks in Paris as there are in Rome, Venice, and my own hometown... no more, and no less.

I also did not like the food in Italy, much prefer the food in Paris any day ,, the Italians cannot make BREAD, and if you can't even manage that well, it is time to throw in the towel,, LOL

The Museum Pass ,, well in many trips over many years, I have never gotten it, and frankly don't think I ever will. I don't get what this line talk is all about,, I never encoutner lines at the Lourve( been there at least 7 times now) by entering through underground mall. This past July went to Orsay around 10:30 am and waited , ,what 15 minutes, whoop de do..LOL

I also like to spend time in a museum , not rush through, I never schedule more then 2 a day..

Lines at Versailles are skipped with the purchase of the &quot;Forfaits Losirs&quot;, which is your train ticket and full admission ticket, 21.euros week days.

I have never gotten more then a carnet of tickets, and I usually stay 2 weeks at a time , frankly., this past July (12 days only) I gave the maid at the hotel the rest of my tickets when I left, I never use them up.. stay central and walk everywhere, just take a metro when exhausted, or for really far sites .

RAC,, you must have seen a ton of sites with that Museum pass to save so much money,, I agree if one plans on more then 3 sites a day one saves money, ,, but I disagree you normally save any money with it.