Should the UK get its own forum?

Old Mar 10th, 2004, 11:08 AM
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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 11:38 AM
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"It always surprises me how many people don't understand that there are no separate country forums."

Er, what you don't seem to understand is that, yes, there are!

The US is a seperate country that has it's own forum.
Australia is a seperate country that has it's own forum.
Canada is a seperate country that has it's own forum.

Check the main pulldown menu!

Speaking personally, I come to the Europe forum to see if I can help anyone with questions about the UK. Because the forum covers so many countries, a UK thread that I might have been interested in can disappear from the front page in a matter of minutes simply due to the sheer volume of posting, which is largely a result of the forum covering so many different countries.

The same applies to France I guess. It just seems like too much being crammed into the same spot.

It's no big deal, really, but I personally just thought it would improve navigation and use of the site. But I repeat, it is only a suggestion!
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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 12:30 PM
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It always surprises me how many people don't understand that there are no separate country forums. Just look at the left page -- do you see anything but "Europe" at the top of it?"

Gee, Stevelondon, I think it was pretty clear from that post that the poster meant there are no "separate country forums" for EUROPE. Which is true.

I have mixed feelings. I like travel everywhere in Europe, so don't mind reading through nearly all the posts. But I certainly understand why it would be nicer if someone didn't want to spend a lot of time. On the other hand, that person could just go to the search function and search all topics under UK. It's only one tiny little extra step. They'll still come up in the order of the last postings -- without being mixed with posts about all the other countries.
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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 12:31 PM
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> top 15 most visited countries are:

But the pertinent numbers for this forum are how many people are traveling in the countries, regardless of if they come from another country; and of course how the demographics of the subset that use these Forums.

Ignoring the way people might find this resource and cultural differences that might influence their usage, I would expect expect most users to be from English speaking countries and the biggest number to be from the English speaking country with the largest population.

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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 02:39 PM
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I would vote for a separate forum for the following reason. The posts on this forum move so quick, that if no one responds to a certain post, it moves out of the top 50 (and into Unknown Beyond) without hardly any one seeing it.

Contrast that to the Australian forum, where posts probably take 3 days to fall out of the top 50. Incidently, that forum not only includes Australia, but it's territories, surrounding islands (Cook Islands), island nations (Fiji) and the oft forgotten New Zealand. To name just a few.

The US forum also moves very fast, with 50 states to deal with. It probably could do with some subdivisions, but just like Europe, tourists often visit many different countries.

As an experiment, does any one know how fast this forum moves?

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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 03:26 PM
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"I would expect expect most users to be from English speaking countries and the biggest number to be from the English speaking country with the largest population."

Do you mean India?

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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 04:17 PM
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Allow me to correct myself - there is not a separate UK or France or Italy forum.

There is, however, the ability to separate by country (or countries) by using the topic box above the message title box when the thread is started.

Subsequent visitors get only those so indexed by highlighting the country and clicking find.

May not be a separate forums by a strict definition but practically it is.

Fodor's programmers did a fine job.
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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 04:47 PM
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"I come to the Europe forum to see if I can help anyone with questions about the UK. Because the forum covers so many countries, a UK thread that I might have been interested in can disappear from the front page in a matter of minutes simply due to the sheer volume of posting."

Steve, it is kind of you to seek out posts which apply to your area of expertise.

I suggest sorting all existing posts by clicking on "United Kingdom", then "Find," in order to eliminate what is clutter for you. (I'm fairly certain that this is what Maribel does for Spain, and others for the countries about which they feel most knowledgable.) You may then read and reply only to threads which relate to the UK.
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Old Mar 10th, 2004, 11:05 PM
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It absolutely didn't work when it was separated.

My own experience was that I read the UK bit; and it was boring. I pretty much stopped reading the Italy stuff because it was mostly about Tuscany and venice which I've visited but don't know well; and I pretty much stopped reading the France stuff because I haven't been to so much of France.

I think it's easier for the people seeking info to have separate fora, but much less pleasant for those supplying it.
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 02:26 AM
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Have to say steve that I agree,
However I posted the same question some time ago and there were plenty of good reasons for it to stay combined.
But despite this I still believe it should be seperated.

Europe receives hundreds of great posts and I for one really have not got the time to trawl through all of them, looking for UK stuff that perhaps I could contribute to.

Subsequently I believe that UK questions may suffer slightly as a direct result.

Maybe the Fodor's Gods are watching

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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 07:45 AM
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Face facts: the sun has SET on the British Empire. We all love the place but apparently not enough to support the country's outdated attempts to somehow isolate itself from the rest of the world. The fact that it insists on maintaining a separate currency is bad enough; to give it its own forum would nbe even worse.
 
Old Mar 11th, 2004, 07:52 AM
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You don't have to "trawl" through all the Europe threads just to get the UK ones! Holy Smokes, why would anyone want to do that?

Up in the right hand corner there is a list. Starts out with "General Interest" and then goes through all the European countries, starting with "Albania". The UK is last, so just roll the arrow quickly down to the bottom and click on "UK". You'll get all the UK postings in a flash.

How much more time does this take? 10 seconds?
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 10:19 AM
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Actually I wonder how that selector works, technically. Is it guaranteed to call up *all* UK messages? What if a message is about the UK but doesn't contain the terms Britain or United Kingdom, and was not flagged as a 'UK' post at the time of posting? I mean, how does it know whether a message is about the UK or not?

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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 10:52 AM
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The only European nation that justify a seperate forum, based on topics would be ITALY and maybe to a lesser extent France. The UK gets mentioned here quite often but about as much as Germany and far less than Italy.

So I say No,a seperate forum is not neccesary.
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 10:59 AM
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Steve -

The UK filter will select all posts in which the original poster used it as a designation.

So no, it will not catch every single thread that mentions the UK. But it's a good starting point to eliminate posts that are NOT about the UK, and get *most* that are.
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 11:15 AM
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I believe we should support Fodors gradually devolving the UK into not one, but four or five separate boards. We need to affirm the cultural separateness and identities of England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, not to mention various Isles named after dog breeds.

I further believe we should support Fodors in developing grand new headquarters buildings for each of these countries/nations/tribes/species. Each should be designed by a famous dead architect not from the host country; volunteer seers and soothsayers could be employed to channel the designers' views on facing stone, roof lines, or proximity to breweries.

This business of combining all the countries into one forum is clearly the idea of some overpaid Brussels bureaucrat. I say fight the trend to bland amalgamation of hundreds - no, thousands - of noble cultures and family surnames across Europe. What's next, everything in an "Earth" forum? No, my friends, the time to speak out is now. Fora for all!
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 01:46 PM
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It's certainly true that France and Italy could lay claim to having their own forums, based on their popularity as destinations, but I think the fact that this is an English language website is reflected in the fact that UK seems to get discussed is greater detail, with more specific and obscure topics covered, and there seem to be more 'locals' such as myself around too. Would it be also true to say that many tourists perceive the UK is a slightly different light than the rest of Europe - the whole 'Royal Family, afternoon tea, Hugh Grant' thing...

I do think it's kind of funny that people greet this suggestion with such disbelief and/or sarcasm, when the USA and Canada already have seperate forums. Would any of you prefer to see a combined 'North Americas' forum?
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Old Mar 11th, 2004, 02:24 PM
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I refuse to get bent out of shape about this, but, dear stevelondon88, I fear you may be over-reacting just a tad.

And Gardy, thanks for that. It's the first time I laughed out loud all day. Did you know that the huge saltires on the outside of the you-know-what are individually made of cast iron, in individally made moulds, which they threw away when they'd finished with them???

I see a whole new tourist industry in "waste- and how to increase it"
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