Shooting at Paris magazine, maybe 12 dead
 

The story is still developing but the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo has been attacked, with a repoted 10 journalists and two officers killed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-in-Paris.html

They knew they would all be there in a meeting. These guys were pros and more like paid hitmen. Just so very sad. They keep showing actual footage on tv.

Travelers currently in Paris and its environs can expect visibly increased security just about everywhere. Some of the shooters are still at large as of last report, having hijacked a car near the Porte de Pantin station area, quite far from the killings.

Watching tv here in the US. Just horrible. Where exactly? 11th arrond is all I can find.

Charlie Hebdo is at 10 rue Nicolas Appert.

Read that this magazine was brought to court for racist remarks, yet they continued to publish. I always wonder if people truly understand the danger they may bring upon themselves, especially when dealing with fanatics very willing to murder. Of course there is no justification for the slaughter, but they kept publishing their satire even with France's anti-racist laws. Am I getting this right?

Do not confuse racism with satire. Charlie Hebdo makes fun of all religions all the time.

Kerouac - Yes, I know. But the magazine has been brought to court. So just wondering about that and about knowing you're a target.

"I always wonder if people truly understand the danger they may bring upon themselves, especially when dealing with fanatics very willing to murder. "

That is the whole point, isn't it, to make people afraid to express themselves and to silence those who might have unpopular points of view.

The magazine staff was fully aware of the dangers. They discussed it publicly and within their meetings constantly. Their offices had previously been firebombed by criminals against free speech. They had security, but apparently not enough.

If there are French laws that should have been applied in this case it was up to the French government to do so -- and I doubt it, because the satire of the magazine was not racist but a satire of fanatical religious belief.

There will always be those who react to deadly attacks on political satirists by commenting: "They should have kept their mouths shut and their heads down, knowing these people were murderers." But history proves over and over that attacks against comedians are only the first line of attack by those looking to forbid all opinion that questions the fundamentalist view.

These people died as martyrs to free expression. I hope every newspaper in France and elsewhere republishes on their covers the satirical jokes to demonstrate they will not be cowed. Those who would rather have a quieter job than satire can probably find work elsewhere. No one is forced to take the risks, and they are always real.

Is Michel Houellebecq's controversial novel SUBMISSION to blame?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...hed-today.html

I wonder what Marine Le Pen is thinking right now.


Thin

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...do-attack.html

It is sickening and frightening ..

So how many percent the arab population in France ?

"B@@@@@ds"

The French President has called this a terrorist attack. The gunmen were shouting "Allahu Akbar" as well as “We’ve avenged the honor of the prophet!"

Also the gunmen spoke French without any accent, according to Le Monde.

"Je suis Charlie"

Are you sure it was a terrorist attack and not just a case of 'workplace violence' as its called in the states?

Hmmm cmeyer54, multiple men, armed with military style assault rifles enter, shoot, kill 10, leave building, shout Allahu Akhabar as theyre leaving, shoot at police and kill 2 officers, hijack another car and disappear. Doesn't sound like a traditional "workplace violence" episode like here in the states to me.

Scarlett, you are far too bright to read a rag like the Daily Mail.

Thin

You have to take the daily mail with a grain of salt but they have breaking news and great pics before most US papers do. I will never forget them putting the pics up of the Boston bombers first before they had caught them.

I feel for the woman that typed in the code to let them in. I know she feared for her kid.

Kerouac, photobucket has the picture you took tonight for sale as a Christmas card for 1.49. I saw the pictures of the crowds that turned out. It is so close to home for you and I am sorry.

Kerouac, photo bucket is trying to sell your picture as a Christmas card for 1.49.

Sorry, I swear that post was not there and thought it strange so posted to let you know again and up posted the earlier one. Just didn't think you wanted that.

I went and looked but was not offered this bargain.

The document, reviewed by a Reuters correspondent, named them as Said Kouachi, born in 1980, Cherif Kouachi, born in 1982, and Hamyd Mourad, born in 1996.

The police source said one of them had been identified by his identity card which had been left in the getaway car.

The Kouachi brothers were from the Paris region while Mourad was from the area of the northeastern city of Reims, the government source told Reuters.

we're visiting Paris over the weekend, and were watching the news with my son almost 18 who said: "how can all this not lead to civil war"

We -all- are making a grand mess of it.

"one of them had been identified by his identity card which had been left in the getaway car."

In a sad world it has to make you laugh. :-)

"I went and looked but was not offered this bargain."
Kerouac, it happened to me too. First time it was there, second time it wasn't. Ditto with links you posted elsewhere (TA I believe). They also sell it as a framed picture.

Also on canvas. Kerouac, more shootings this morning. I just can't imagine this. Just read this but not a lot on the news.

http://www.npr.org/2015/01/08/375800...ense-residents

shooter has not been caught, one dead and one critical.

I will say this to the French.

Do not allow your politicians to manipulate your fear to give them free reign to do whatever they want. After 9/11 Americans became scared beyond beyond the event and the worst foreign policy mistakes were made because of that fear that we allowed.

BTW, I worked three blocks from the Trade Center, saw the second plane hit and my building was engulfed twice by human remains. It was then I resolved to be cowered by what politicians said.

Completely agree with Aduchamp.

There is nothing patriotic about the Patriot Act.

After 911 Americans were brainwashed by politicians and the mainstream media into shredding the Constitution, especially the Fourth Amendment.

Americans don't seem to mind that NSA is collecting their telephone and email data. Reference: Edward Snowden.

A true patriot criticises his government when he sees duplicity.


Thin

Unfortunately we Americans cannot criticize our government. We can't even peacefully protest without being tear gassed or worse. Sigh