Scavi Tour - Pinpointing Entry Location

Jul 28th, 2012, 04:04 PM
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I wouldn't visit the museums jet-lagged. You won't enjoy it or remember most of it.

denisea - I carry a cross-body bag and it hasn't been a problem. Mine is probably medium purse size, big enough to hold wallet, make-up bag and camera.
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Jul 28th, 2012, 05:15 PM
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Leave extra time...we weren't sure and by the time we figured it out ( asked the swiss guards) we were a few mins late. They were not happy. They did let us tag along with the next group but we felt bad. Enjoy!
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Jul 28th, 2012, 10:15 PM
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Just27-- I don't think you are over thinking it. I wouldn't do it the same day I landed. The more I thought about the Vatican Musuems and St. peter's - the more I decided I wanted a tour to make it manageable and provide the narrative. So where I am now is thinking about Walks in Italy's Pristine Sistine tour- it's an early morning tour. I won't do it until I come back to Rome from Umbria towards the end of my trip.

Denisea - I want to draft off your planning! I really enjoyed you past Paris adventures.

We can all draft off each other -- that's the beauty of these forums.
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Jul 29th, 2012, 05:54 AM
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Thanks for the info on the purse...I am a planner and would never risk being denied entry or missing my time slot, so I wanted to be sure.

Davispeets...absolutely! I am missing Paris but we leave in 39 days for Rome. This forum is such a godsend for planning and getting great advice. LowCountryIslander has been an invaluable source of info for me for Rome! If you don't have them take a look at Eat Rome and Rome Foodie apps for dining advice! They are both very helpful.

We are planning to do WoI Pristine Sistine tour and The Colisseum VIP tour with the top tier and underground. We have Scavi reservations and a food tour planned with Elizabeth Minchilli. And our last night we a Sparkling Saturday wine tasting at VinoRoma. Maybe I will post our plan for last minute critiques.
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Jul 29th, 2012, 06:17 AM
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denisea - If you haven't seen them already, read Kristina's two Rome reports. She's a foodie (chef) so she includes lots of restaurant/food info (and pics) and she created a Google map showing all the links. She also has a website (lots of pics) with all her trip reports.

http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...rip-report.cfm

http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...ek-in-rome.cfm

One of my all time favorite Rome trip reports.

http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...i-loved-it.cfm
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Jul 29th, 2012, 11:20 AM
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We have Scavi tickets for September and I have two questions. First, my wife wants to inquire about footwear and I've read somewhere else that it is HOT and HUMID on this tour, is that correct?
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Jul 30th, 2012, 09:56 AM
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First, my wife wants to inquire about footwear and I've read somewhere else that it is HOT and HUMID on this tour, is that correct?>>

I can help about footwear - anything comfortable will be suitable.

re the temperature, we were there in Feb when it wasn't hot or humid - it was warmer than the snow outside though!
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Jul 30th, 2012, 01:55 PM
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I've been in September (early and late) and it was very humid.
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Jul 30th, 2012, 02:04 PM
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We were there in late Oct (2011 and side note - kybourbon's explanations are exactly what we encountered) and it was quite humid and warm.
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Jul 30th, 2012, 02:06 PM
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thanks, kybourbon....much appreciated! Hoping it is not humid when we are there...we have had enough this summer in Atlanta and would love to get away from it! If not, we will not complain as we will in Rome and Prosecco helps with humidity!
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Jul 30th, 2012, 02:09 PM
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Ditto. I HATE hot and humid and would have noticed it very likely alot more than other people.

Did the tour in Feb, Mar and early-May with no problems but I wonder?

The area is sealed and climate-controlled, I know the humidity levels are kept constant but I don't know if the temperature is?

So a Feb vs August might be hotter if not controlled perhaps that is where the 'hot and humid' info comes from?
Anyone do a hot August day visit (esp in the afternoon)? Regards, Walter
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Jul 30th, 2012, 02:13 PM
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Opps posted too slow. I see it seems to depend on the season. Regards, Walter
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Jul 30th, 2012, 05:03 PM
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It was in the mid 90's first week of Sept. 2011 in Rome. Hot and humid in the Scavi. I've always wondered about the controls as it really seems that much humidity could not be good for ruins. I'm not sure it's really sealed anyway. While you go through an airlock door (is it really or just a glass door?) there are areas that it's obvious there is no seal. If there is a service in St. Peter's, you can hear it in parts of the Scavi tour.
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Jul 31st, 2012, 11:23 AM
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it's obvious there is no seal. If there is a service in St. Peter's, you can hear it in parts of the Scavi tour.>>

when we got to the central area, where the chapel is, we could hear the singing from the midday service at the great altar just starting - it was very moving. Even this old atheist was weeping, goodness knows why.
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Jul 31st, 2012, 02:52 PM
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kybourbon, ya got me too thinking about my 'climate controlled' comment which I've read many times online over the years (google "st peter's" necropolis "climate control" and it gets quite a few hits).
But not by any official sources, only tourists, bloggers, etc.

I tried again redefining my search expecting to get official-type site stating the necropolis is kept constantly at xx% humidity and a temp of xxC and stating how it is done and why. But with no luck.

So I had too do it the old fashioned way and actually open a book .

I have the 'Roma Sacra-The Vatican Necropolis' which when I bought it years ago was only availiable at the Scavi Office.

In the section 'Preservation and Restoration' they talk about running into a problem with "micro-climactic and mircobiological problems" after the excavations were completed in 1950.
Caused by hi-temps and humidity, uncontrolled flow of air and high CO2 levels.
This caused salts, algae and mirco-organisms to form on the ruins and painted surfaces. Also humans were bringing-in spores, bacteria and heat.

In 1998 they started monitoring the micro-climate (temp & humidity) between the interior of the structures and the surrounding area.
What they did was; many mausoleums were sealed in glass, insulating panels installed on the floor and automatic doors installed along the visitor's route http://www.saintpetersbasilica.org/N...Scavi-Intr.jpg .
Also some biocides were used and the lights were filtered to prevent the growth of mirco-organisms.
So it seems that it is not really 'climate controlled' (like a lab) but more like the natural underground climate in the necropolis is just maintained and harmful elements are kept in check?

Also this is only for the underground necropolis excavation (where the mausoleums are) and not for the Constantinian Memorial were you see the plexiglass box with St. Peter's bones behind the Clementine Chapel's altar, this location is 1 level above the mausoleum necropolis level.
And directly below the floor of the Basilica and on the same level as the Grottoes.
Regards, Walter
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Jul 31st, 2012, 04:11 PM
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"when we got to the central area, where the chapel is, we could hear the singing from the midday service at the great altar just starting - it was very moving. Even this old atheist was weeping, goodness knows why."

As an old Atheist myself what was the most moving experience at an historical site or object in my lifetime was seeing St. Peter's bones.

I believe in an historical Jesus and actually seeing the remains of a major disciple of his and how those events changed the World history was overwhelming.

If you look at all the evidence without bias and using common sense, the pieces fit for that location and Peter being buried there IMO.
Regards, Walter
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Aug 1st, 2012, 09:07 AM
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well, Walter, I'm not convinced necessarily about the historical veracity, but it's all about faith anyway, isn't it, for those who do believe?

BTW, i don't remember the bones being behind plexiglass - the ones we saw were in a plastic box, a bit like the ones you'd use to put your sandwiches in for a picnic.
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Aug 1st, 2012, 03:49 PM
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"well, Walter, I'm not convinced necessarily about the historical veracity,..."

I don't blame you . It's a puzzle with many pieces missing and harder too prove than disprove.

"BTW, i don't remember the bones being behind plexiglass - the ones we saw were in a plastic box, a bit like the ones you'd use to put your sandwiches in for a picnic."

No, I said "the plexiglass box with St. Peter's bones".
It's actually 2 boxes side-by-side but it looks like a single box.

In 1968 all the bones after being examined and seperated were placed in 19 plexiglass boxes.

This is a photo of 2 of those plexiglass boxes containing *some* of the bones of the 60-70yr old man found in the tomb. Soil samples taken from these bones match the soil from the original simple dirt grave a few meters directly below.
http://www.culturaltravelguide.com/w...tomb-glass.jpg OR
http://tinyurl.com/d8poalc
Regards, Walter
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 09:41 AM
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walter - that's definitely NOT what we were shown - it was a bit far away, but to me it looked like tupperware!
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Aug 2nd, 2012, 12:22 PM
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annhig; I'm not doubting what you were shown and saw and I'm sure there is a logical explaination.

But that photo is exactly like what I have seen twice, the last time in '06 and if you google it the boxes are described as everything from plexiglass, glass, transparent, clear etc by others.

I don't know when that photo I posted above was taken but this one dates to 1975, it's not as clear but if you look at the left box you can see the same 4 seperate sections as in the clearer photo.
http://www.saintpetersbasilica.org/C...omb/Wall_G.jpg

The 'Roma Sacra' guidebook I mention above has a photo of the same boxes except they have switched places, that photo is from sometime pre-2002.

No doubt the boxes are removed and cleaned of surface dust and grime (I assume they are sealed tight) now and then as I can see slightly different angles in those photos.

And from the same official guidebook;

"In 1968 nineteen transparent reliquaries with the bones attributed to Saint Peter on the basis of research carried out by Margherita Guarducci, were located (placed) in that niche." Regards, Walter
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