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Waldo Feb 11th, 2017 09:56 AM

I don't profess to know what they eat in the mountains. However, I've been going to Golfo Aranci for many, many years, and believe me, the staple in Golfo is sea food. One year, my brother in law and I helped a fisherman friend if his unloading the day's catch. The fisherman has been supplying my brother in law for years with fresh octopus, calamari, bass, and the best of all SEPIA, which is Italian for cuttlefish. It is great. It's in the calamari family, but better than calamari (which we used to call squid when I lived in New York).

massimop Feb 12th, 2017 12:08 AM

Yes, of course if you go to stay by the sea in Sardegna you will eat sea food. But it is not a long time that people live by the sea in Sardegna. Golfo Aranci is 200 years old, and people live in Sardegna for 2000 years. In past times, they lived in the mountains, not by the sea. It was too dangerous to live by the sea. That is why I say that the true food of the people of Sardegna is the shepherds food from the mountains. Later people came to live by the sea when it was safer, after the wars were over and there were not so many pirates. And now come the tourists, who like to eat fresh seafood so that is what all the restaurants serve. For a long time, local people in Sardegna ate fish in salt and dried fish eggs. Even today they eat that. It is very nice to eat the fresh fish by the sea in Sardegna. But the best food in Sardegna is in the mountains.

MyriamC Feb 12th, 2017 01:02 AM

<But the best food in Sardegna is in the mountains.>
Which is only YOUR personal opinion. I personally rather eat fish. I hardly eat any meat, so I loved the fish we ate in Alghero, in Cala Gonone, in Bosa, in ... you name it. An pecorino cheese is available all over the island, as is pane carasau.

massimop Feb 12th, 2017 06:28 AM

No, it is not my opinion that the best food of Sardegna is in the mountains. This is the true food of the island. It is what the people ate for thousands of years. If you want to taste the food of Sardegna, the best place to go to eat it is the mountains. You love to eat fish so you should go to the sea. But this is not the best food of Sardegna.

You can buy the pecorino cheese and pane carasau in Rome. Why go to Sardegna to eat the food of Sardegna? Because the people of Sardegna know their plates and how to cook them. This their culture. If you want to experience the true culture of Sardegna, it is in the mountains, not by the sea. Food is important part of culture everywhere in Italy.

The person who asked the question is vegetarian. Sardegna is not the best place to go in Italy to eat vegetarian food. The first cookbook of vegetarian food in Italy was written in Sicilia. The vegetarian food is better in Sicilia.

massimop Feb 12th, 2017 07:45 AM

My friend read what I wrote and she says this is the way to explain this for Americans:

I am making a trip to Houston. I ask people: "What is the best food to eat?" They have said to me: "Eat the bbq and the Mexican food. This is the best food because in Texas the main food business is cows and before it was America this land is part of Mexico. That is why the bbq and the Mexican food is good."

But if I say to them I don't like meat, they will say to me: "Then you should to to the Vietnam restaurants. Now in Houston many people come from Vietnam to live, and they fish in the sea, and they make the best dishes with fish. It is not the tipical food of Texas, but if you like fish, it is better because than the tipical food of Texas.

It is like that with Sardegna. The tipical food of Sardegna is meat, because for a thousand years everybody in Sardegna eats meat. or maybe fish kept in salt. But now there are people who come to live by the sea in Sardegna or the tourists and these people like to eat the fish fresh. So you can find lots of fish and it is very nice to eat it. I like it! When I go to the beach in Sardegna I eat fish, not meat. But I know this is not the tipical food of the people of Sardegna, except maybe in Cagliari or Alghero. A few places that are very old by the sea.

MyriamC Feb 12th, 2017 10:34 AM

I see your point. The <b>typical</b> food is meat but therefore it's not what I like. That is just a personal opinion.

Pvoyageuse Feb 12th, 2017 11:57 AM

Massimo, sorry to disagree but the worst meals I had were in Foni and in Gavoy !

massimop Feb 12th, 2017 03:09 PM

First I didn't know what you are writing about but then I realize you mean Fonni and Gavoi.

I am not promising that everywhere you go in Sardegna or in Italy that you will always eat the best food just because you go there. Some cooks are better than other cooks! And if you don't like the food of Sardegna, that is ok. There are parts of Italy where I don't like the food (I am not telling where it is) so it doesn't matter if it is the best cook or the best food.

I am going to Texas and I know Italians who go there to sell wine to Italian restaurants, and they give me a list of all the places to get Italian food and espresso. I have to decide what to do! Some people don't like bbq or Mexican food. They think it the "worst" meal to have.

scrb11 Feb 12th, 2017 03:37 PM

Why was it dangerous to live on coasts. Because of raiding tribes?

I tried some salumi in Sardegna, seemed comparable to those in other regions.

Cagliari seemed run down, not as renovated as places like Noto or Ortigia. But then you go up to the NE coast which caters to the jet set and there were luxury boutiques. And some of the resorts seem to offer private beaches.

I'm sure in those places, they offer whatever kind of food you want, even if not authentic to the island.

Taormina has beaches. Certainly a beautiful locale, even if crowded. Good food too.

massimop Feb 13th, 2017 03:48 AM

yes, it was dangerous because of pirates. In many places in Italy people did not live by the coast before because it was safer to live up in the hills. Also it had more disease by the sea. It is cleaner to live in the mountains.

Cagliari is not a rich city and it is very busy with the port. If you go up to the old historic part of the city it is renovated in many places. Very beautiful. When people come in cruise ships they don't walk up to see the beautiful part. They stay by the port, which is ugly.

In Noto for many years it was completely ruined. Everything was fallen down. It was a shame for Sicily and they fixed it. But not long ago it was terrible.

In Ortygia and Siracusa the tourists have brought lots of money so it is easier to have everything look nice. Taormina is totally for tourists but even a very long time ago the ancient people went to Taormina to be tourists.

I hope people understand that sometimes you need to talk about what is best from a place because it is the culture. It is why this thing exists. In Italy for a very long time it was not possible to eat only what you like. You had to eat what was from the place. You didn't have a car to drive to go to another place to get different food. Children in a family all learn to cook the same food that is the product of where they live. There is a lot of knowledge about this food and if you want to taste the best recipe, you will find it where people know about how to cook it.

I went to Japan and the sushi there is the best. I like to eat sushi in the US (it is not good in Italy) but when I visited Japan it was possible to taste the difference. The cooks in Japan know the fish, and how to cut each piece depending on the fish. Even if the cook moves to New York, he has to learn new fish. So I think it is interesting to eat the best food of Japan when I am there.

You go to Venice and you will see most tourists eat pizza and gelato. That is what they like and maybe some of it is good pizza and good gelato, but it is not the best food of Venice. It has nothing to do with Venice. Maybe if they ate the best food of Venice they would say it is the worst food in the world because they don't like it. But it doesn't mean they are right. Just that they are only interested in what they like and don't like to eat. They go sightseeing to learn about culture but when they sit down to eat, they are not interested in to learn more culture. Many words about food, in Italian and English, have the word culture in them. So if you eat the best food of the culture that people learned to make from where they live that is as important as what they used to make their buildings.

I hope I find interesting food in Houston!

massimop Feb 13th, 2017 05:33 AM

I only realize now that I never answered MyriamC.

If you go to some place with an ancient culture, don't you want to see the typical palaces or the typical churches? If I take you to Tuscany and I show you the best typical hill town, are you going to say to me: "I don't like that. I don't care if this is the best. I want to see the kind of town I like better".

In Italy, for many many places, the town exists because people found food there. Or they could make food there. The food is older than the church or the houses. First they found the food and they lived in caves. Slowly they made the castle and a church and houses.

Everybody likes to go places sometimes and not think about history or learning. I like to go to lakes to relax. But many people also like to visit places to learn the history. They like to ask "Why is this town here? Why is it different from where I live?" Otherwise, you just stay home.

In Sardegna the fish restaurants are there because tourists like to eat fish. If you would like to know how the people of Sardegna survived for thousands of years, then you look for other places. So this has nothing to do with your personal opinion or what you like and don't like. It's ok you like to go to the beach and eat fish. That is now how many people in Sardegna are surviving, having hotels and preparing fish for tourists. The beaches of Sardegna are very beautiful and it is nice you enjoy them.

scrb11 Feb 13th, 2017 04:24 PM

I thought maybe the duomos in Sicily were restored with some EU funds.

As far as authentic food and people traveling for it, it's a relatively recent phenomenon.

In the US, just 50 years ago, Italian cuisine was Chef Boy R Dee and spaghetti and meatballs. That slowly changed with things like the slow food movement and the emphasis on fresh ingredients.

Italy picked up on that and the marketing of fancy olive oils and wine accelerated in the last couple of decades. Americans were not seeking out imported olive oils in the '80s, at least not to the extent they are now.

Agriturismi is also relatively recent as well. That's fine, I like "authentic" foods to but up to a point. Not being a foodie, dining in big name restaurants is not my highest priority when I travel.

I like Italian food a lot but I have no interest in trying out pigeon or tripe dishes, for example.

sundriedtopepo Feb 13th, 2017 09:37 PM

Very interesting Massimo. Sometimes our food choices are dictated by the fact that we cannot eat what we want to. In my family growing up we ate beef and pork about 5 nights out of 7. Now as an adult, I eat less and less red meat because it is not healthy for me.

So, sometimes we choose foods for reasons that are beyond the obvious.

But I like your explanation of why food traditions are so important to Italians, and others I'm sure as well. I've always found it quite curious that Italians like their dishes the same way they have always been, while cultures where food traditions are not so entrenched are much more experimental in their preparation.

sundriedtopepo Feb 13th, 2017 09:37 PM

This thread has gotten a little off track though! :)


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