Rue Cler Market

Old Apr 17th, 2006, 11:15 AM
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Travelnut, I think you missed my point. I was saying that yes of course prices will be somewhat higher at Rue Cler because it is a permanent type market and not a once a week farmer's market. I was just repeating the idea that they won't be up to quadruple the price across the board, as expressed by one poster. Sorry if that came out unclear.
 
Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:11 PM
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I've never heard of the rue Cler as being anything special until I read Steves' glowing multipage endorsement of the street as the epitome of Parisian life and culture. I already knew the street, but it seemed like any other pedestrian block in Paris to me.

The Seventh is a pricey area but I'm sure prices in the mystical rue Cler are driven even higher by the tourist trade (driven in turn almost exclusively by Steves' book).

The rue Cler doesn't have the density of food or other interesting shops that you can find on other streets. The rue Montorgueil is nicer, as is the rue Lepic and some of its adjacent streets. The rue de Levis isn't too bad, either. There's quite a long list of nice streets in Paris; it's just that Rick Steves didn't bother to visit them all, and apparently found the rue Cler to be unique and charming simply because he never took the time to see the rest of the city.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:20 PM
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Anthony - Then be happy he didn't mention an area that you frequent. You should be relieved that RS diverts the throngs to an area that you don't like. If I didn't know better I would think you are jealous of RS's success.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:24 PM
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Would someone please find the quote where Rick Steves claims that Rue Cler is unique -- that there is nowhere else like it in Paris -- that it is the only charming thing to see in Paris -- or any of the hogwash people are saying here. For God's sake, the man gave it as an example of a permanent street market, and it happens to be convenient to where masses of tourists are staying. It's fun because there are quite a few nice little cafes and restaurants as well as the markets. Don't try to pretend he said all that other nonsense.

By the way, I kind of like Montorgueil because it really has some fun and cheap breakfast places on it, and I often lunch at Mouffetard. I don't shop for fresh foods in Paris because I'd prefer not to do any cooking. But I'd have to say that Rue Cler is certainly more "upscale" than the other two. If someone wanted to see a lively market street, any of the three would serve the task. Now could we get off this kick of anyone pretending Rue Cler is the greatest and only place to visit in all of Paris? The only ones saying that are the Rick Steve's haters, and where they're getting their statements from I have no idea.
 
Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:35 PM
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He spends pages praising it in his guide; he doesn't do that for innumerable other streets that are just as interesting, or more so. It presents a very skewed view of Paris.

It reminds me of a travel article I saw once about Paris. The author went on endlessly about dogs painted on the sidewalk to encourage residents to curb their animals. Reading his article, you'd think that the city were drowning in dog excrement and that dogs were painted every fifteen feet on the sidewalk. In fact, the markings he referred to are quite rare, and dogs are not that much of a problem. But apparently he either felt he had to latch on to something in order to make the article interesting, or he truly did have a very bizarre perception of the city. Either way, he was misleading readers who had not been to Paris.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:37 PM
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Anthony, Anthony, you seem very exorcised by Le Rick. I have never seen one of his books but enjoy rue Cler. And it wasn't very long ago that dog do do WAS a HUGE problem.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 12:45 PM
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Doggy do-do hasn't been a huge problem in my memory, and it certainly wasn't at the time of the article, even though the article gave that impression.

Different writers seem to get attached to different things. Residents of the city recognize their biases, but someone who knows nothing about Paris might take them at their word, adopting the same strange biases.

I like travel guides that are extremely neutral. They may be boring, but they don't inject much of a bias into anything. Fodor's guides are much like that; so are Michelin's green guides. They may not be "fun," but I think the fun is in actually visiting the destination; just reading about it in preparation should be a learning process, not entertainment.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 01:01 PM
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Thank you for filling me in on Rick Steves guides. I've never read one so it is interesting to hear from someone who finds them important enough to read them in detail.

Regarding the dog do -- wow. Where have you been? My first introduction to Paris in 1986 was stepping in some and sliding and bruising my keester. I walked in pain and very softly for several days. After that I kept my eyes to the pavement and yes, I thought it was a major issue. I'm happy to see in the past few years it has gotten significantly better -- in fact I rarely see it at all. I have seen pictures of dogs on the sidewalk and I guess I didn't put two and two together. I thought it must indicate some dog route or something -- like pictures of bicycles in their own lane. I guess it was nice of Rick Steves to explain what those pictures were all about. If I had read his guide I would have had my answer.

So Rick picked out his favorite street market. He probably didn't see any point in describing several. I still fail to understand why you are so upset by his particular choice. Does it upset you equally that he only suggests a couple of specific hotels when there are thousands of others he could just as well talk about? I still haven't seen a quote where he insists that Rue Cler is either unique or better than any other. He picked one out and talks about it -- yes with a positive attitude. Why would it pick one out and then trash it?

I still fail to understand what it is about this that upsets you so. I think you need a good drink and you need to relax. Your obsession with Rick Steve's might need some professional attention.
 
Old Apr 17th, 2006, 01:08 PM
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He didn't pick Rue Cler because it was unique but because it was typical. He spends less than a page extolling its virtues and the rest is a map and description of the stores. How this could incense anyone is beyond me.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 05:13 PM
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I think alot of the people who read Rick Steves book are first time travels to Paris and for a first timer Rue Cler is a great place to get your feet wet. It is clean and safe and you can ususally find alot of people who speak English there. Sort of like kindergaten for Parian travelers. Most of us enjoy it once and move on to bigger and better places. I do find it a convenient place to stay because I know where everything is, it makes a good base, especially if you are quite close to the metro station. I like sleeping at night and having stayed in the 9th, 10th, 2nd and 12th as well as the 7th you sure can't beat the 7th for peace and quiet at night.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 05:35 PM
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To Suzanne2

You are exactly right about Rue Cler and the 7th. Rick Steves and his travel style is well suited to the first time traveler but most people will quickly graduate to a more fulfilling travel style. There's no denying he is good for the first timer.

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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 05:57 PM
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Why does one read Rick Steves books if one dislikes him so much? To quote his books seems to be a bit odd, in a masochistic way, since one feels their purpose on the boards is to warn travelers off a travel book writer..Surely there is something more fun and fulfilling to be found in Paris than this!
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 06:26 PM
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Anthony,
Guess what, you are failing in your purpose. Please find one that is actually HELPFUL to travelers...
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 06:28 PM
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Larry J. Have you been to rue Cler. It's interesting. It isn't the be allandendall. But it is nice. you see REAL Parisiennes shopping. Imagine that.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 06:35 PM
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For those of you who have not heard Rick Steve's speak in person,(we did at the LA travel show) he is a very inspirational speaker and encourages travel so how can anyone find fault with that.

I for one am a little jealous. He gets to enjoy his job.
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 06:36 PM
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One of the pleasant things about rue Cler ( we stayed in a ParisPerfect apt on the corner of rue Cler & rue de Grenelle) was in the afternoons, the parents walking with the children from the school on rue Dominique and letting the little ones pick out a sweet or going into the bakery for a pain au chocolate.
I always enjoyed the morning shopping for items for the apt and being greeted by the men who sell the produce outside, I felt like a Paris housewife for the week
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 07:11 PM
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Why are some of us surprised at this obsession some travelers have with Rick Steves -- particularly the male ones like those above who quote him, read his books, apparently watch his programs and then rant and rave about how horrible he is. We all love to travel. For most of us it costs a fortune. Here is a man who not only gets to travel all he wants, but people follow his advice, learn to travel and enjoy themselves, and meanwhile the travel doesn't cost him a fotune, he makes one instead. It is easy to see why some travelers get obsessed or jealous of his success and why they have to turn that jealousy to apparent rage at the very idea of his daring to suggest anything to other travelers. There is simply no other way to explain why anyone could get so upset with people following another person's advice.

It's really pretty easy to understand. Anyone here ever been around a guy who starts obsessing -- "what's that Brad Pitt (or insert another name here) got so special? He's nothing but a big jerk who can't act and isn't even macho". Yea, jealousy of successful people is pretty easy to detect. Just smile at them and let them have their say. We understand.

Incidentally I happened to come across Rue Cler quite by accident 20 years ago on our first trip to Paris. I thought it was an interesting street. I had never heard of Rick Steves then. I guess if I had, I would have run screaming, but I was too ignorant to know that this was a horrible street, one that should be avoided. I probably wouldn't know that today if it weren't for these guys here telling me so, since they are the ones who pass along the Rick Steves advice.
 
Old Apr 17th, 2006, 07:19 PM
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oh Im soooo embarassed!I have read and owned a ricks book..I have also used Let's go, AAA guides,Fodor and Frommers and green guides too..so what!! the Steves books are good if you dont know where to begin...I only wish there was one for Asia as I have never been there before..

.the book lists hotels,restaurants and markets in all parts of the city.I found out about the Bastille market that way...Rick likes the 7th most of you all like the 6th,I like the 4th
.he lists Rue Cler for those who want an upscale Eiffel/7th experience and are staying near there it was not a random choice ...the Mouffetard and Montorgueil are not the best hotel locations.

..yeah he's been wrong but who wants to go to say georgia? but
the question was when and the answer is 8:00 and happy travels
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 10:19 PM
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just as a diversion from the rue cler!!!what are the best markets in or near the Marais district in paris? - which ones out of the area would you make an effort to get to?
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Old Apr 17th, 2006, 10:30 PM
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Well said Neopolitan. I wonder how many thousands of Americans have been inspired to travel and go to Paris after seeing a RS show on TV?
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