Rome - September 30 to October 3

Sep 15th, 2009, 02:22 AM
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Good places to eat in the Spanish Steps area:

Ciampini on Via Trinita dei Monti, just a short walk from the church at the top of the Spanish Steps (walking towards Piazza Popolo). Incredible views from this garden in the sky restaurant.

Matricianella, Via del Leone. Sit outside and watch the Bottega Veneta set walk by.

Mario on Via Vite.

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Sep 15th, 2009, 04:09 AM
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Buy the "Little Black Book of Rome". This is a great series on various cities around the world. Unlike other travel guides, it breaks the city up into geographical areas. It is small, has very good maps and gives some very good info.
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Sep 15th, 2009, 04:12 AM
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"instead of recommending a guide/tour map, you could also help me figure it out "

Relying on other people's opinions and preferences instead of reaching your own conclusions based on research is a recipe for disappointment IMO. A trip to Greece and Italy is quite an investment for most people and even after 18 visits there, I research on my own and then come here with specific questions when I need additional information. I would never leave my trip up to others to plan for me, but that's me.

I like Il Gabriello in the Spanish Steps area for dinner.
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Sep 15th, 2009, 06:32 AM
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Congrats on your marriage, and thank you for this great post & all the responses. We are going to be in Rome a few days after you, for almost the exact same amount of time, & you have all the same questions I do, you just asked them a lot better than I have been! Happy & safe travels to you & thank you again to all the wonderful advice on these boards!
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Sep 15th, 2009, 06:19 PM
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Not wanting to disappoint you, but... yes, almost all of them. Look here for a (still very incomplete) list: http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...ightseeing.cfm
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Sep 16th, 2009, 12:07 AM
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I suggested the guidebook and maps when you mentioned that you did not know what was in Ancient Rome-ie. what to do at the Pantheon,etc.? Usually when one visits a country or city one has a basic idea of what they want to see/do and why.
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Sep 16th, 2009, 03:44 AM
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dutyfree look at the OP's name: Alpine McCain.

Maybe he is as daft and senile as the real McCain.

Hey, McCain, bring Viagra with you on your honeymoon!

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Sep 17th, 2009, 03:26 PM
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alpine = favorite beer McCain = the french fry company....and I'm from Canada...so has nothing to do with that American Senator...

ok, here is more detail (after looking at a map!)

I will catch the 12h30 shuttle from Hilton Rome to Piazza Barberini....from there walk to Trevi Fountain....from there walk to Pantheon...from there walk to Piazza Navona....walk to Campo Fiori....have diner at La Cabonara (or if we see something else interesting on our way).....do the exact same walk back, but this time, we will see the sites at night

Next day....wake up early, take the Metro to Colosseum....walk to the Forum....then either take the metro or long walk to the Villa Borghese to relax/maybe take a bike ride....spend the evening in the spanish step area...have dinner at one of the recommended places from "Cries_Van_Notebook "......

Last day.....Vatican City/St. Peter's Basillica...we booked the 9am tour with www.enjoyrome.com

For the afternoon, we will either spend it at the hilton relaxing at the pool or return to one of the areas we prefered (spanish step/piazza/etc)...

dinner for this third evening in the Trastevere area


so does this sound a bit better/more organized?
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Sep 17th, 2009, 05:03 PM
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Frankly, no. You are visiting this planet's most interesting city by far, you have merely three days anyway (which comes close to nothing), and you'd waste time at a hotel pool (hotel pools being everywhere, even in the most boring places), and in a park (Rome's parks being notoriously unkempt and unattractive)? Why don't you try to visit at least some more of the terrific treasures of this city? On your list, you have nothing baroque besides the fountains (Rome is where baroque style was invented), and nothing medieval! I think it's impossible to leave Rome without visiting, AT LEAST, S. Carlino alle Quattro Fontane, S. Andrea al Quirinale, S. Ivo, Il Gesù for the baroque part of it; plus S. Prassede, S. Stefano Rotondo and S. Maria Maggiore for the (early) medieval part. I'd rather skip visiting the Colosseo from inside. I know, everyone does, but in fact, in a ranking of Rome's sights, the Colosseo would score rank 181, approximately, and only because it's so good from outside - rank 917 for the interior No, I don't want to talk you out of visiting the Colosseo - but DO visit many more places. Also the Forum, by the way, is among the least rewarding of Rome's ancient remains, the throngs of visitors notwithstanding; seeing a few places like the tiny Colombarium of Pomponius Hylas, Traian's Markets or the (completely preserved, with houses several storeys high) ancient lane near SS. Giovanni e Paolo is definitely providing better insight into what life in ancient Rome was than a visit to the Forum (which everyone should of course see nonetheless). What can hardly be omitted, as well, is the Capitol. Rome's ancient city wall. The Galleria (as opposed to the Villa) Borghese. S. Maria del Popolo, S. Luigi dei Francesi and S. Ambrogio for their haunting Caravaggios. Piazza del Quirinale, for the fountain and the view. There is such an incredible wealth of art and architecture, on a level of quality unheard of almost anywhere else in the world. So many treasures to choose from. Really, you don't want to trifle away your precious time riding a bike in a scruffy park!
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Sep 17th, 2009, 07:51 PM
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Franco-She said from the start that they weren't interested in museums,etc.?

Pool time and biking (in my opinion) for those who are in a major city for the first time is a waste of time. You might as well be at the Motel 6 in a nondescript city?
Sorry but Rome is one of my more favorite cities in the world and at times I am there everyweek for work so that is why I was confused about your needs while visiting.
Leaving tomorrow for a vacation overseas-hope that you find the joy in Rome that I do!
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Sep 17th, 2009, 09:01 PM
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Sorry, AlpineMc. for hijacking your thread when I know you're on a tight schedule. Franco mentioned something that piqued my interest, so I have a quick question for him.

Franco - we will be in Rome for a week in October. I know - not nearly enough to even scratch the surface of that amazing city. On one day I had planned a visit to Galleria Borghese (thinking of reserving 11:00) followed by a couple hours rambling around Villa Borghese. Am I misled to think this would be time well spent? I am looking for a little balance...definitely want to see as many of the ancient sites and baroque architecture, but want to spend some time in greenery as well. Also, I think the water clock will fascinate my (engineer) husb. We WILL be going to Villa d'Este as well.
Also, what do you think of the botanical garden on Janiculum?

Sorry again A.M....have a fantastic trip, and take some time to soak it all in!!!
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Sep 18th, 2009, 03:38 AM
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dutyfree, how I envy you for being in Rome that often! As for alpinemc, I noticed they're not into museums - nor am I, and yet I adore Galleria Borghese, which is not so much a museum as a synthesis of architecture and exhibits much like a church e.g., the building being specifically designed around those precise exhibits. But ok, maybe I should withdraw my recommendation of Galleria Borghese, given alpinemc's focus of interest.

hanabilly, yes, I'm afraid you are misled. Rome is dusty, noisy, chaotic, exhausting, and it smells (of car emissions). So on the one hand, I can understand the desire for a little balance. On the other hand, all that is part of the Roman experience. And the urban parks are certainly not pleasant enough IMO to provide that balance. The Botanical Garden is perhaps an exception, insofar as it's well-kept, peaceful and pretty. On the other hand, it's not a botanical garden to write home about, if you have a keen interest in botanical gardens. Tivoli is another story: the park of Villa d'Este is magnificent, and also the greenery and the walking in the huge site of Villa Adriana (which you don't want to miss when doing the trip to Tivoli!!) is a fine addition to the splendid ancient ruins there. In alternative (or in addition), you might think about doing a hike that I've been planning to do for ten years now, without ever getting around to: the long trail of Via Appia Antica (16 kilometres, if my memory is correct) to the end (of the preserved ancient track) in a hamlet just outside Rome, named Frattocchie; there are busses going back into town from there. The whole stretch has been closed for traffic for more than ten years (perhaps 15? don't remember), and there are plenty of ancient monuments (mostly tombs) all along the itinerary, which otherwise passes through grassland only - no traces of modern life there.
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Sep 18th, 2009, 04:45 AM
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Thanks for the advice! The pool downtime is mostly since we will be in Italy/Greece for 15 nights visiting a lot of great cities.

AT LEAST, S. Carlino alle Quattro Fontane, S. Andrea al Quirinale, S. Ivo, Il Gesù for the baroque part of it; plus S. Prassede, S. Stefano Rotondo and S. Maria Maggiore for the (early) medieval part.

Are the above streets we should walk? How would you fit them in my plan.....i.e. the afternoon of my day 2 or the afternoon of my day 3? My day 1 ok?

Capital Hill is a great suggestion....it seems to be somewhere in between the forum and campo di fiori...so would it fit better with day 1 or day 2....or could we figure out a day 3 pm walk to catch some of the sights I missed which you suggested.

Piazza del Quirinale - I will include this in our day 1 walk

The Galleria (as opposed to the Villa) Borghese - not intereted, sorry just not our thing...
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Sep 18th, 2009, 04:49 AM
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Maria Maggiore and St. Pressede are my two favourite churches in Rome.

A GREAT restaurant nearby is Trattoria Monti on Via San Vito.

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Sep 18th, 2009, 05:38 AM
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Coloseum/Palatine Hill/Forum

It's my understanding 1 ticket covers all 3 right? It is my understanding that we must buy tickets in advance....if I buy the Roma Pass, will this allow me to bypass the line, i.e I just walk up the entrance and show my Roma Pass??

They also say that a guide makes the experience a lot better....it seems we can simply pay a guide outside....but are there pre-arranged tours that cover all 3 sites and also cover fees to enter the sites (i.e. don't have to pre-purchase roma pass)
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Sep 18th, 2009, 05:59 AM
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I'm confused. On another post you said you had 14 nights in your trip and you are covering two countries (Greece + islands + Italy)? Do you have two weeks or three?
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Sep 18th, 2009, 06:31 AM
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where did I say we had 3 weeks? We have 14 nights in Europe and 1 night in Ottawa, so 15 nights

and how is this relevant to the questions I asked
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Sep 18th, 2009, 06:36 AM
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No, they're churches you should visit. Indeed, you'd include Piazza del Quirinale in your day 1 walk, and both S. Andrea al Quirinale and S. Carlino are nearby (between Piazza del Quirinale and Piazza Barberini).
For the rest, you have two entire afternoons, day 2 and 3. I'd start day 2 getting out of the metro a few stops earlier and visit S. Maria Maggiore and S. Prassede in the morning; then get back into the Metro (or walk) to the Colosseum and Forum Romanum; Traian's Markets are just across the street from the Forum, and S. Stefano Rotondo is up the hill from the Colosseo, so I'd include those two in day 2; SS. Giovanni e Paolo (with the ancient lane) is near S. Stefano Rotondo. The Capitol could be included in day 1 or 2, or you could build the afternoon of day 3 around that area: Capitol, Il Gesù, S. Luigi, S. Ambrogio, S. Ivo; or combine S. Luigi and S. Ambrogio with the Pantheon and Piazza Navona... basically, have a look at the map and organize your walks as you please...
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Sep 21st, 2009, 04:22 AM
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Thanks for all the comments. We finally bought the Fodors Italy book which we should read in detail on our 10hrs flight to Athens which we are leaving for shortly

When we land in Rome, what is the best way to get to the Hilton (waldorf)....i.e. how much would it be for a taxi (and how long) vs. what are some cheaper alternatives which are not too inconvenient
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Sep 21st, 2009, 04:55 AM
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Your guide book will have this info but you can use a shuttle service by reservation to the center, take the Leonardo Express to Termini or jump in a cab,
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