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Rome: Octavian's (Emperor Augustus) Childhood/Birth Home Found?

Rome: Octavian's (Emperor Augustus) Childhood/Birth Home Found?

Jul 2nd, 2006, 12:39 PM
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Rome: Octavian's (Emperor Augustus) Childhood/Birth Home Found?

They always knew the general location because there is written evidence that in later years there was a shrine there.

I can't get the external link on this blog to work with WebTv but I assume it is in Italian but the blogger has translated I assume the highlights

http://phdiva.blogspot.com/2006/06/o...use-found.html

If that external link works for you does it show a map location?

I assume that there will be more info hopefully in English about this find as time goes by.
Regards, Walter
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Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:03 PM
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Thank You very much for the very interesting article..
I am going to see if I can find some articles about it something in Italian, perhaps I could see a detailed map about the place. Although that the English version is quite good also
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Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:11 PM
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Hello Walter, the translation is good, much better then the Italian news websites that get translated to English.

Can you see Dorothy King's email address? If so it sounds like she would respond to any question you had. If not let me know and I will write it here on this thread.

Thank you for your always wonderful threads.
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Jul 2nd, 2006, 01:39 PM
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When I saw the title of this thread, I knew that only Walter could have posted it!
Thanks for another interesting post that'll be part of my Rome file for the October trip.
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Jul 2nd, 2006, 02:31 PM
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Thank you Walter for another gem of information! You are Fodor's MVP!
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Jul 3rd, 2006, 11:32 AM
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Walter -
I don't find a map - only the general description that is in the article. I would think that the location will be labeled soon. How fun!

And I agree about the MVP bit!
Thanks for the heads-up!
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Jul 3rd, 2006, 11:51 AM
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Hello Walter. If you go to www.usatoday.com/travel you will see a very interesting article regarding Rome I think you would enjoy reading.
Best regards.
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Jul 3rd, 2006, 01:22 PM
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This months National Geographic has an article on Rome's "underground". The print version has a "then" and "now" map of Rome that I found fascinating.

The online version is at:

http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/n...re3/index.html

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Jul 3rd, 2006, 02:35 PM
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I agree with Keith that it's a most interesting article....but, I think you'll agree that you wouldn't want to experience the area first hand!
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Jul 5th, 2006, 02:33 PM
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Thanks everyone and Howard thanks for the email about the NG article.

Gard has a good photo of the general area where Augustus's home was http://gardkarlsen.com/rome/Arch_of_...Collosseum.jpg

They knew it was somewhere in the lower vicinity of the (so called) Via Sacra that leads up to the Arch of Titus.

'Off the top of my head' so I could be wrong but in later years there was a shrine
in that small general area that marked the house.

Any house in that area would have been totally destroyed in Nero's 64AD Fire. So *perhaps* a shrine was built over the ruins which would have preserved much of the lower structure?

[One possibility?] Last May I was in that area I noticed a new excavation. I could see some mosaic floors and some marble structural fragments.

This excavation if you look at the photo is just to the left of those skinny trees on the left side of the Via Sacra leading up to the Arch of Titus in the distance.

Another excavation that I believe has been going on or finished for years but might be another possibility is at the bottom of the Via Sacra on the leftside, right where it meets that street going left-to-right ____x||___.

That's why I was hoping that or any article had a map marking the location.
I'm betting it's the former excavation, it's new and still ongoing and I did see moasic floors. But we'll see hopefully . Regards, Walter
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Aug 4th, 2006, 01:57 PM
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On Dorothy King's (author/archaeologist) blog she gives a general translation of a recent Italian article about this site.

http://phdiva.blogspot.com/2006/08/a...se-update.html

These recent finds offer more proof to confirm that this was Augustus' birth home and later a shrine** dedicated to him.
Regards, Walter

**Not to be confused with the 'Temple of Augustus' whose site is still uncertain in the Roman Forum area.
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Mar 13th, 2007, 03:03 PM
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Well I finally found out where this House is .
It was my 2nd guess. The reason I thought it was an old excavation was because they were only working on it during the summer months over the past few years, so when I was there in March or Feb it was closed .

Anyway go to Gard's photo URL above and it is dead center in front of those 3 trees in the corner of those 2 streets between the Arch [] and the street going up || to the Arch of Titus []_x||__

There are quite a few photos of the excavation on Pages 1-5.
www.flickr.com/photos/imperial_fora_of_rome/

This is in Italian but has some nice photos esp the mosaic floor also a reconstruction drawing of the later Temple.
http://tinyurl.com/2fl7ay

With all the evidence there is no doubt that this was the house of Emperor Augustus lived in as a child and the Romans of his generation said he was born in.

[And if this was a typical traditional Roman birth.]

On Sept 21, 63BC alittle after sunrise in this house Augustus' mother Atia would have her midwife bring her newborn child into a room where husband sits and lay the child at his feet.

If the father accepts this child as his and doesn't want to reject it for any reason like health, deformities, another mouth to fed, etc (rejection is death).
He will pick it up and hold it in his arms if it is son.
If it's a girl, he just leaves her on the floor and says "feed her" .

From this house (when?) he or they as a family move from this borderline rich neighborhood to the real rich ritzy neighborhood higher up on the Palatine overlooking the Forum.

I assume it was either when Atia remarried 5yrs after the death of her husband (Augustus is ~7) and 2nd hubby has money.

Or after her uncle Julius Caesar comes to Power and the family moves-up the social and financial latter.

Or even perhaps when Augustus 1st comes to shared power before he is Emperor.

Anyway this 2nd house was the 'House of Calvus the Orator' and was located on the NE corner of the Palatine.

So probably somewhere from to just past the Arch of Titus on the Hill side.
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