Reuirements for over 90 days visit in Germany
 

I am visiting my former wife, and have a 90 requirement, but want to stay for 30 days more. What is th eeasiest way to do this? I have been told if You leave the country than come back it is considered leaving, and can stay for another 90 days? Is this true?

"Is this true?"

No. 90 days in any 180. You have to leave the entire Schengen zone and can't return anywhere in the zone for 180 days

You have two options:

- ignore the rules and see what happens
- contact your nearest German consulate and apply for a longer visa.

Hi W,

Ditto Flanner.

It is unlikely that you will have any problems if you overstay your visa.

((I))

You don't know the German authorities like I do ;-). I wouldn't want to be an illegal alien over here.

I don't need a visa to stay in Germany as long as I like.

But I still can't understand why those who do, think it's easier to risk being caught than to fill in a simple form at their nearest German consulate.

It isn't just a question of filling a few forms.
Schengen rule of 90 in 180 days is meant to meet all normal requirements for a visit - tourism, business, family reunion etc. There is no provision for extending your stay once you are in Germany, and there is no convenient visa you can get allowing you to stay longer than 90 days. There are other, long-stay visas but they are for specific purpose like study, work, marriage and joining a spouse already settled there. Exceptionally they may issue a special visa, but circumstances must be out of the ordinary as well for them to consider doing so.
OP should leave after 90 days and return after 90 days outside Schengen.

the above poster, Alec, is correct. They have made a mess with the current Schengen provisions. We have spent numerous hours at various embassies trying to get a longer visa for a visit beyond 90 days to the Schengen zone - it is impossible to do - to obtain a work visa, etc., is the only way - but you must have employment - I would be interested if anyone has overstayed 90 days by several months and any problems they encountered. We are embarking on a life long dream after retirement to travel to Europe - and didn't have any knowledge of the Schengen rules until very recently. They will probably change in the future, but when is anyone's guess.

i believe you can stay october, november and december in one year and connect to jan, feb and march the following.

i am, not 100% sure about this, but when we were doing car imports, etc. many foreigners were doing this 90 day back to back across two years to get past that ruling.

check it out if you can.. would probably be of use to someone.

No the year"s chage doesn't reset anything : it's 90 days in a 180 days petiod.
Just get a visa !

I earlier said that for a non-European, staying over 90 days just requires completing a simple form.

That's an exaggeration, but it's not untrue. The Schengen system DOESN'T currently involve standard rules for all Schengen countries for longer stays, and rewirement seems to have misunderstood this fundamental fact.

There are probably workrounds for both waltmac and rewirement. Lincasanova's proposal is illegal.

For waltmac, the workround might be dodgy. Spouses of EU nationals generally have an absolute right to live with their spouse, subject to some rules to prevent arranged marriages. My understanding is that there's a loophole in this right, in that it's practically impossible for an immigration department to check on divorce. There's preumably evidence available waltmac married the German lady: he should investigate the documentation his local German consulate require, but he'll almost certainly find that, with the cooperation of his ex-wife, he can get a long stay visa as a spouse. Clearly he wouldn't want to lie: but I don't believe there's anything in the process that would force him to.

For rewirement: Schengen countries don't have a common set of rules on elective residence. Germany and France require you to get a job or to import substantial sums of money, but Italy has much simpler rules. If you qualify for an Italian longstay visa (check the rules from your nearest Italian embassy or consulate), your visa allows unlimited (and virttually unmonitored) travel within the Schengen zone for the length of the visa.

If you don't meet the Italian rules, just browse the rules - generally on your local embassy's website - other Schengen countries have. As I understand it, Spain in particular actually wants longstay foreigners.

Alternatively if you want to spend a slug of time in Europe, just spend most of it in European countries that don't share the Schengen countries' xenophobic insularity. It's not organisational incompetence that makes Germany and France discourage longstay foreigners. They have their isolationist rules because they don't want any more longstay foreigners.

This view is not shared by the British, the Irish or (yet) the Swiss.

>don't want any more longstay foreigners.
True, but the problem are not those who apply for a visa. Why do the poor and uneducated force their way in and the state can't do anything about it. You're called racist, when you wonder why 60%! of the people around you fall in that category. Well, I need to move to another country, if they let me in :D