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Sep 29th, 2006, 03:40 AM
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Hi, Just want to illustrate that posting saying that I'm not nsalerno but cocofromdijon. When I opened fodors website I realized it was still on nsalerno screen name. This to show you that you really need to log out (the computer has not been turned off maybe that is why). It is not a problem with me because I'm a nice girl but imagine in a web café where anybody can use it after you.
I can prove what I'm saying (you can tell with my French accent) by logging out and coming back in a minute.
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Sep 29th, 2006, 03:43 AM
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Here I am again!
Hope this is useful!

Just want to wish a good trip to nsalerno who is taking a flight back to the US.

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Sep 29th, 2006, 01:19 PM
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Wow. Let me compare the risk factor of using an internet cafe to check my bank balance to flying acrobatics in a light airplane. I know what MY decision is.

And I have to laugh at the idea of being safe and always wearing a parachute when doing the acrobatics. That's really a good idea and in the event you have to bail out one that I'm sure will be appreciated by the people who get hit by the unoccupied airplance falling from the sky on top of them!
Sep 29th, 2006, 01:23 PM
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What are the odds of 2 Fodorites using the same public computer? Now, I'm thinking, HUGH
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Sep 29th, 2006, 01:26 PM
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I meant to say HIGH sorry, typo!
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Sep 29th, 2006, 02:56 PM
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Lest the ignorance level on this thread increase any further:

Performing aerobatics (not acrobatics) over populated areas is a violation of Federal Aviation Regulation 91.303, and no responsible pilot would contemplate doing it.

Some people think they are thinking, when they are actually rearranging what they donít know.
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Sep 29th, 2006, 03:00 PM
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Thanks for the information. You are right. I was not aware that Aerobatics have NEVER been performed over a populated area. I learned something very new today.
And what a pleasant way I was informed too.

Are we to assume we have a new name for an "old" poster?
Sep 29th, 2006, 03:15 PM
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Tut-tut-tut, Neo - there are no old Fodorites, merely seasoned ones.
And since it is the end of a Friday at the end of a very looonng week I believe I will now set about enhancing my seasonedness by getting thorooughly peppered. Pass the Grey Goose, por favor.
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Sep 29th, 2006, 06:19 PM
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In an effort to educate myself better about this fascinating topic of aerobatics, I found some great websites. I just hope that the authorities do not have access to Google. The images here are especially interesting:


I like the ones over Memphis in particular. They were clearly taken the day they evacuated the entire city of Memphis and the surrounding 25 mile radius so it wouldn't be populated. There are others of crowds around the planes on the ground before shows -- which is good, since apparently the actual Aerobatics are done miles away out of view of the crowds so that the planes couldn't fall on them if the pilots had to jump out with their parachutes.
Sep 29th, 2006, 06:35 PM
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In the Memphis shot the planes are not performing aerobatics.

Airshow rules impose stringent crowd-safety requirements on where extreme maneuvers are performed.

Recommendation: research the FARs instead of pictures.
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Sep 29th, 2006, 06:42 PM
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Thank you for your kind response.

By the way, it's too bad some people didn't see the humor in the idea of a person parachuting out of his plane for safety without regard for what happens to the plane -- especially in a thread about risk taking.
Sep 29th, 2006, 06:54 PM
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I've a friend who does aerobatics as a hobby and once had the chance to go up with him (over open water, not populated land space). Once was enough.
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Sep 29th, 2006, 08:10 PM
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If it becomes necessary to bail out, it's because the airplane is not flyable (catastrophic structural failure), in which case the pieces will go pretty much straight down. If the pilot is abiding by the FARs, there will be no danger to life or property.
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Sep 30th, 2006, 06:15 AM
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Yes - I remember the day we had to evacuate the city... all standing in straight lines in a field in the next county while the teachers took roll.

Actually, they DO aerobatics exactly where those planes are. They're directly over the Mississippi in that shot, on the banks is a large city park where the big festivals are held, as well as Mud Island (picture Tom Cruise hanging from a monorail in The Firm). The angle of the shot makes it look like they're right over the city, but in fact, the river is quite wide there and the opposite bank is undeveloped Arkansas flood plain. When they do manuevers, they fly the path of the river and never go anywhere overhead of the onlookers at the festivals. Makes for a better viewing angle, if nothing else. Elsewhere, I've seen *much* closer demonstrations done at air shows over your basic pasture/fair ground/fields with bleachers along side of it. I know I've seen video of air show disasters with a very similar setup, so I feel like the Memphis setup in that shot is much safer.

Incidentally, with all the interesting new names around here, it's like going to a stage show on a Thursday afternoon. Nothing but understudies!

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Sep 30th, 2006, 06:23 AM
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Oh, for a frame of reference one width of available space there - the I-40 bridge that crosses at downtown is just a little behind the two planes, at the narrowest point. The bridge span is 9430 ft.

Different POV of that space over the river: http://www.fws.gov/southeast/law/SA/memphis.htm
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Oct 4th, 2006, 05:57 PM
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Somewhere in the middle of this discussion I see Robespierre was suddenly transformed into Passeportout.
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Oct 4th, 2006, 06:12 PM
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And somewhere near the end of this discussion Neopolitan was disappeared and did not reincarnate in another name.
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Oct 5th, 2006, 03:49 AM
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I'm lost. One minute we're in an Internet cafe discussing the wisdom of using a public computer to access financial information and the next we're standing on the wing of an airplane looking down at Memphis. Can we go back to the cafe please? I'm getting cold up here on this airplane wing....

Part of the whole point of banking is to have a central agency take care of at least some of one's financial security needs. In the days of paper banking, I took care of my chequebook, certainly, but I didn't change how I signed my name every 2 months, the better to foil cheque forgers. I took care of my purse and i.d., but I didn't scan the bank floor for suspicious-looking characters before joining the line for the teller - I left that security up to the bank, not because I'm irresponsible or stupid but because I know my limitations when it comes to identifying and handling criminals.

So while I agree we should not make it easy for criminals, say by changing our passwords from time to time, and by limiting as much as possible the extent of sensitive transactions we conduct on public equipement, it is also true that to some extent, the banks are the ones responsible for devising security. I fully support their stipulating limits on my ATM withdrawals, say, or their ensuring that only approved entities can be named as payees for funds transfers. (In other words, I shouldn't be able to hack onto your account, designate my account as a payee, and then make a transfer of funds from your account to mine. At the very least, large and frequent transfers to a recently declared 'payee' should be considered suspect by the bank.)

At some point, we have to accept that bad things might happen, and that if they do, we and our banks and other authorities will not only have to deal with it, we will be able to deal with it. An ounce of prevention isn't necessarily equal to a pound of cure - the commodities market in prevention varies by individual, as this thread clearly shows. To someone like neo, prevention can be more expensive by the ounce than cure is by the pound. In short, there is no absolute value to either prevention or cure, old folk sayings notwithstanding. Such values, just like most other values, are in the eye of the 'buyer'.
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Jun 1st, 2007, 09:35 PM
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I'm quite sure nothing bad has ever happened to people on the ground at an acrobatic flying exhibition. Like, say, the Blue Angels in Beaufort, SC.

Personally, I like to play it safe, so while I'm more than happy to fly to Europe, I'm unwilling to drive or be driven to the airport, which is hundreds or thousands of times more dangerous.
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Jun 2nd, 2007, 04:39 AM
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I would like to go back to the original intent of the post and ask; if using computers in internet cafes or hotel is unsafe (as I understand they are) how is one supposed to check balances or bank info if it is necessary?
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