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Katherine4 Apr 16th, 2008 11:45 AM

pronunciation of British towns in Cornwall
 
So as not to sound like a stupid tourist, I would like to know the correct pronunciation of some of the towns that we'll be visiting. Can you give me the phonetic spellings of the following if they aren't pronounced as they look? Clovelly, Bude, Tintagel, Padstow, Hartland Quay, Bodmin Parkway, Barnstaple.

Thanks for your help!

kleeblatt Apr 16th, 2008 11:56 AM

Can't help you with the pronunciation since I'm not so sure myself. There are better experts here for that. However I have a trip report that includes quite a few of the towns listed. You might want to glance through it.

http://www.fodors.com/forums/threads...p;tid=34841198

stfc Apr 16th, 2008 11:57 AM

K4 - All of these are pronounced phonetically. The reason most Americans (I presume that's where you are from) raise an eyebrow here sometimes is because they stress the wrong syllables. With all these names, and most place names, stress the first syllable, with the following exceptions (it's English so there are always exceptions):

Clovelly - 2nd syllable, ie CloVELLy
Tintagel - 2nd syllable, TinTAGel (soft g).

Enjoy the West Country.

hetismij Apr 16th, 2008 12:22 PM

Those are no problem - it's places like Mousehole that catch folks out!



Heimdall Apr 16th, 2008 12:55 PM

A fun little website where you can actually hear the words spoken is: http://www.howjsay.com/

It doesn't have all the words, but a fair share of them.

wrrllw Apr 16th, 2008 01:08 PM

For what it's worth, Barnstaple isn't quite pronounced as written; it's more "baarrnstubble" (all running into each other), not than "Barn_Staple"...

Worth asking though, I still have to smile when I recall some US visitors asking for "War Sester Shire Sauce" :)

Dukey Apr 16th, 2008 01:11 PM

Kinda like when Brits come over here and try to properly pronouce the name "Baltimore"

ira Apr 16th, 2008 01:24 PM

How does one pronounce Baltimore other than Balmer?

((I))

stfc Apr 16th, 2008 01:44 PM

Dukey - We do pronounce Baltimore correctly. You pronounce it with an American accent. It is the Anglicized version of a place in Ireland from where Lord Baltimore, who founded the Maryland colony, took his name. Google is my friend.

SallyCanuck Apr 16th, 2008 02:01 PM

Quay is "key"

It's not on your list but isn't St. Ives "sint" rather than saint?


J_R_Hartley Apr 16th, 2008 02:18 PM

Of all the English accents, the Cornish have the closest to Americans.

Dark "l"s and "r"s, softening "t"s and "th" to "d"s, pronouncing the "r"s after vowels and having "o"s approaching "a" in sound. (When you say "hot" I hear "hat")

Bodmin is nearer to "Badmin"

St Ives is pronounced Sknives (the k is silent).

As a South-Easterner it can take a few seconds to work out if a Cornish person (with a thick accent) is or isn't American, other than the lack of big hair and white trainers, that is.

J_R_Hartley Apr 16th, 2008 02:22 PM

"Kinda like when Brits come over here and try to properly pronouce the name "Baltimore"

SPLIT INFINITIVE ALERT!!!

wrrllw Apr 17th, 2008 12:43 AM

Hey, I know all about Baltimore - I've seen Hairspay ;)

Josser Apr 17th, 2008 12:51 AM

Nah, that is a rotten site ;-)

I put in Mousehole and they pronounced it Mouse Hole as in the dwelling-place of a rodent.

julia_t Apr 17th, 2008 12:58 AM

Bude is pronounced using the U, as in 'you'.

It is not pronounced Bood.

MissPrism Apr 17th, 2008 01:02 AM

Pronunciation doesn't really matter, so long as people can understand what you are getting at.
What can be confusing and you see it often on this forum is when Americans drop part of a place-name in London, for instance.

It's unlikely that somebody would be given directioins to Trafalgar, but if somebody asked for Liverpool Station, they might well be given directions to Euston.
It's the same with Buckingham.

Heimdall Apr 17th, 2008 01:26 AM

>>I put in Mousehole and they pronounced it Mouse Hole as in the dwelling-place of a rodent.<<

I told you it was a fun little website. :-D :-D


Heimdall Apr 17th, 2008 02:45 AM

BTW, I checked some of the usual howlers, e.g. Leicester, Worcester, Cholmondeley, and Cockburn, and they all seemed to be correct, albeit with an American accent. I never thought to check Mousehole, though.

Well done, Josser. :-)

hetismij Apr 17th, 2008 02:58 AM

It can't cope with Marazion at all! Nearest it could get was Marion.

Dukey Apr 17th, 2008 03:23 AM

stfc, please get your little buns right over here and we'll all stand around and listen to you pronounce "Baltimore" correctly....but you have to do it at either Mount Vernon Square or perhaps in Highlandtown..we'll see if another Boston Tea Party ensues as a result.

(and they wonder why you guys lost the war...)

Heimdall Apr 17th, 2008 03:55 AM

Now we can all have fun checking for errors.

They do have a button on the bottom of the page for reporting errors, so let's give them some feedback. BTW, the company is registered in Australia, so perhaps I was wrong in calling it an American accent.

stfc Apr 17th, 2008 04:06 AM

Dukey - thank you for the invitation. How do you know my buns are little? Buns - that's a curious American usage. I am sure that I would be welcomed with all the generosity and hospitality I experience every time I visit the US. No doubt your Baltimorean ladies would swoon over my wonderful 'English accent'.

Sadly I must defer the visit as I am once more soon to go to a hot and dusty place to work alongside your brave servicemen in a different war I fear we have all lost. Maybe another time.

Josser Apr 17th, 2008 04:38 AM

We could play for hours.
I just tried Featherstonehaugh and it got it right

Heimdall Apr 18th, 2008 01:30 AM

Josser, try Mousehole again. ;-)

twoflower Apr 18th, 2008 02:12 AM

Launceston is another interesting Cornish one that ain't said how it sounds (whereas the Launceston in Tasmania IS said how it sounds - but that's Aussies for you!).

PatrickLondon Apr 18th, 2008 04:47 AM

Bude and Bodmin Parkway are pronounced the way they look.

HAHtl'nd Key.

PADs-toe.

BARnst'p'l.

Josser Apr 18th, 2008 05:46 AM

I tried Mousehole again.
That's brilliant.
Did you contact them?

tuscanlifeedit Apr 18th, 2008 08:22 AM

You should have heard what we did with Goonhavern.

Heimdall Apr 18th, 2008 10:04 AM

Josser, yes, I used the error reporting button on the bottom of the page, but all credit goes to you for spotting the error.

We exchanged a few emails, and the howjsay people are very responsive, with a wonderful sense of humour. I quoted your reply: "I just tried Featherstonehaugh and it got it right." They answered back: "Phew! Good to know we passed the Featherstonehaugh test!" :-)

Underhill Apr 18th, 2008 10:09 AM

H. V. Morton said that Mousehole was pronounced Muzzle. True?

irishface Apr 18th, 2008 10:45 AM

I didn't know there was a universal "American accent". IME pronuciations vary widely around the US. Many Americans who come to New England have trouble pronouncing some of our towns and cities. Worcester, Gloucester, and Leicester in Massachusetts are pronounced fairly like those towns with the same name in England. However, our Ipswich and Harwich are pronounced as they look, unlike those two towns in England. (I have had some trouble with towns down south, but listening to locals helped me get a sort of apporoximation.)

MissPrism Apr 18th, 2008 11:08 AM

I was born in Ipswich, Suffolk and I have visited Ipswich in Massachusetts, nice beach btw.
They are both pronounced the same.

Heimdall Apr 18th, 2008 12:03 PM

I also used to live in Ipswich, Suffolk. With Ipswich, the "w" is sounded, while with Harwich and Norwich it is silent. I have also lived in Aldeburgh, which some non-locals, never mind foreigners, have difficulty pronouncing.




irishface Apr 18th, 2008 05:08 PM

Miss Prism and Heimdall, thanks for setting me straight. After visiting Norwich and Harwich in England, I made an incorrect generalization while looking at the map. I apologize to all Ipswich natives.

Sorry and thanks! (I like learning new things!)


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