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Possibly changing Italy itinerary, can you help??

Possibly changing Italy itinerary, can you help??

Jun 20th, 2003, 12:45 PM
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I do not agree with Alice except for the idea that Venice is very tourism oriented. It is indeed, and for that reason travelers should do their homework to avoid tourist traps, not that tourist traps don't exist in Rome or most large cities.

If one limits oneself to cafes or shops next to San Marco, or the Trevi Fountain, one is more in danger, imo, of being taken advantage of.
But those of us who see through the tourist traps, and the "authentic" Venetian glass that's really made in the Czech republic,, find a city that is remarkable if only for having survived so long. It keeps reinventing itself, from a world trade and culture power in the 1400s to today's tourist theme park. But you can explore beyond the theme park. London is more than the Tower of London; Venice is more than gondola rides.
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Jun 20th, 2003, 12:53 PM
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Why do you have to give up either Venice or Rome? I would stick to your original itinerary -- 3 nights in each city.
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Jun 21st, 2003, 04:15 AM
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Rufus: that's why I largely prefer Mestre to venice itself. It feels like home to me! I must also say that I do not like at all the architecture in Venice, with a few exception for the last surviving byzantine churches. IMHO Treviso is what venice should have been, had it not been too rich.
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Jun 21st, 2003, 04:19 AM
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ELaine: you said it right: a tourist theme park. That's another good reason to hate Venice. I mean, beside the too ornate architecture, the smell and the prices.
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Jun 21st, 2003, 09:05 AM
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The prices ARE high. Likewise, London, New York, Paris, most major cities except possibly for Warsaw. And what I said is that you can explore beyond the tourist theme park, just as you can in London or Rome. And I have never ever experienced any smells in Venice (late summer and early fall); they may occur, but clearly not all the time.
The architecture IS ornate in many cases, the glory of the Byzantine and Gothic imo. One of the things I love.
Alice, we just disagree.
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Jun 21st, 2003, 09:09 AM
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We also disagree on ROme. ROme is NOT a tourist theme park. It's a gorgeous and very lively city, and it would be one of my favorite even if it was made of concrete and nothing else. ^_^
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Jun 21st, 2003, 09:20 AM
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I agree, Rome is not a tourist theme park, as long as you look past the Trevi fountain or the "gladiators" outside the Colosseum. Neither is Venice in my opinion, as long as you look past the singing gondoliers.
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Jun 21st, 2003, 11:41 PM
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I've just returned from Venice and I found it to be extremely clean, no doggie bon-bons, or rubbish in the water, and rarely smelly. I love both Rome and Venice, but Alice, we're tourists and we're not living there long enough to experience the real city - that would take much longer than just a few days. Sometimes we hate the tourist experience, but generally we go to see something we have dreamed of for a long time, and you have to look beyond the "tourist theme park"
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Jun 23rd, 2003, 02:46 AM
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Amanda: the poit is that there is no real city in Venice. To get to the real city you would have to move to the mainland and stay in Mestre, which is not exactly the nicest of places, as for being tourists and not having time, that's an attitude that I do not share: when I travel I tend to spend as much time possibile in each place: one week holiday means one week in the same place. I feel that I see more doing so than just running from one destination to another.
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Jun 23rd, 2003, 04:07 AM
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What a lively discussion! May I ask you folks to compare the comfort level of traveling to Venice, Florence, and Rome during, let's say, June? I agree w/the folks (described) who left the city to head for the coast because it was soooo hot. I've been watching the temps in Milan, and it's been 94 some days! Well if it's that hot in any of the three destinations you're debating, I'd head for the mountains or the water. Any thoughts? Thanks. J.
 
Jun 23rd, 2003, 04:55 AM
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JMW- YES!
where i live we have winter for over 6 months a yr.
Now it is supposedly "summer"
and I think the temps have only gotten above 68 F a handful of times since last summer!!
tomorrow we are leaving for those hot cities, and I can't wait!
I need some heat before winter begins again, in a couple months :lol
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